Best “cheap” throttle body?
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Best “cheap” throttle body? lol!! Yeah... i didnt know how to name this so,
with all the horror stories i came across when looking up what would be a good choice for a TB while trying not to spend 600$ for basically a block of aluminum. They are basically all the same but it does seem that some “people” (read: brand) have a much harder time over others when it comes to measuring out the specs to machine ‘em out for AIT and TPS sensors and the likes....
So,,, beeing there and needing to purchase one myself for my beast, i’ve read...and read and cannot find THE definitive anwser as to if there is ONE brand that can be trusted that will /would be a true “bolt on”.
With all the models available (G-Plus, Summit, Sniper, etc) and in a 92 or 102mm sizing, what are your ACTUAL and personnal (no word of mouth please 😇 ) experiences and which one would you reccommend.
Thanks as always!!
Lead.
with all the horror stories i came across when looking up what would be a good choice for a TB while trying not to spend 600$ for basically a block of aluminum. They are basically all the same but it does seem that some “people” (read: brand) have a much harder time over others when it comes to measuring out the specs to machine ‘em out for AIT and TPS sensors and the likes....
So,,, beeing there and needing to purchase one myself for my beast, i’ve read...and read and cannot find THE definitive anwser as to if there is ONE brand that can be trusted that will /would be a true “bolt on”.
With all the models available (G-Plus, Summit, Sniper, etc) and in a 92 or 102mm sizing, what are your ACTUAL and personnal (no word of mouth please 😇 ) experiences and which one would you reccommend.
Thanks as always!!
Lead.
Accufab = John M. Hi Lead, I sell Air Doors made by Accufab, by John M.
He has done CNC manufacturing for my requirement, S-97 twin injector throttle bodies.
I also cast my own TBIs 65mm each for ITB on LS engines.
What size do you request, for a quote ?
Lance
He has done CNC manufacturing for my requirement, S-97 twin injector throttle bodies.
I also cast my own TBIs 65mm each for ITB on LS engines.
What size do you request, for a quote ?
Lance
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lol!! Yeah... i didnt know how to name this so,
with all the horror stories i came across when looking up what would be a good choice for a TB while trying not to spend 600$ for basically a block of aluminum. They are basically all the same but it does seem that some “people” (read: brand) have a much harder time over others when it comes to measuring out the specs to machine ‘em out for AIT and TPS sensors and the likes....
So,,, beeing there and needing to purchase one myself for my beast, i’ve read...and read and cannot find THE definitive anwser as to if there is ONE brand that can be trusted that will /would be a true “bolt on”.
With all the models available (G-Plus, Summit, Sniper, etc) and in a 92 or 102mm sizing, what are your ACTUAL and personnal (no word of mouth please 😇 ) experiences and which one would you reccommend.
Thanks as always!!
Lead.
with all the horror stories i came across when looking up what would be a good choice for a TB while trying not to spend 600$ for basically a block of aluminum. They are basically all the same but it does seem that some “people” (read: brand) have a much harder time over others when it comes to measuring out the specs to machine ‘em out for AIT and TPS sensors and the likes....
So,,, beeing there and needing to purchase one myself for my beast, i’ve read...and read and cannot find THE definitive anwser as to if there is ONE brand that can be trusted that will /would be a true “bolt on”.
With all the models available (G-Plus, Summit, Sniper, etc) and in a 92 or 102mm sizing, what are your ACTUAL and personnal (no word of mouth please 😇 ) experiences and which one would you reccommend.
Thanks as always!!
Lead.
They are a direct bolt on and use your sensors.
You WILL need to tweak the sensors to make them work properly.
You WILL need to Loctite the bolts holding the throttle blade on so they don't get sucked into the engine.
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The G-Plus, Warr, Summit, ICT, Sniper, are all the exact same china throttle bodies.
They are a direct bolt on and use your sensors.
You WILL need to tweak the sensors to make them work properly.
You WILL need to Loctite the bolts holding the throttle blade on so they don't get sucked into the engine.
They are a direct bolt on and use your sensors.
You WILL need to tweak the sensors to make them work properly.
You WILL need to Loctite the bolts holding the throttle blade on so they don't get sucked into the engine.
Hey Joe, thats what i read but no real actual proof/ details of this as well as having to machine them some, so im left with some “comments” and not much details so its exactly what im trying to cut clear!! I put a lot in the project this year and now have to cut corners a bit where it dont matter too much too be able to enjoy it this summer. I decided to go with the Holley instead of the Fitech (you’ll surely be happy! Lol!!) and a few other good pieces so my budget is suffering!!
some guys had luck and some less with same TB’s. Id be happy just knowing which one has the most chances to run good.
Pantera, as far as size, Im thorn a bit as my Hi Ram has a 105 opening but i might sell it and end up running my TBSS intake and then, id go with 102 or even a 92 as i learned it dont really matter with a Turbo. They all are up to the task it seems.
thanks guy’s.
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The TPS slot on the china throttle bodies is a little crooked in most cases, and you'll have to Slightly open up the holes on the TPS sensor to angle it a few degrees in order to get a full 0 - 100% reading.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
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The TPS slot on the china throttle bodies is a little crooked in most cases, and you'll have to Slightly open up the holes on the TPS sensor to angle it a few degrees in order to get a full 0 - 100% reading.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
Ahhhh!!! Exactly what ive read!! Im trying to remember as one had a simple solution to this whistling thing or one of them TB’s had it fixed easily... i’d need to check my notes.
Ok, so knowing all those pieces are pretty much in need of some work, would you have an opinion or a reccommendation on what could be a (i know) good purchase while still not paying 5/ 600$? I mean, there are 75$ parts all the way thru ~200$ So maybe ther is one better than the other? You mentionne the WARR unit and i think i read it wasnt that bad?? Im surprised Summit’s parts didnt get these problems fixed before putting their name on em. They usually have quality parts.....and that, coming from a guy that generally NEVER buys these parts (i like renown brand names, as they usually re-sell better and also lose less value) but having been trying em more and more, i tend to appreciate them more also.
Thanks for the help man,
Mario
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The Subaru EJ-20 TWIN TURBO JDM was a VERY Hi Performance ride in Japan.
THIS OEM (Fugi Heavy Industries) also fitted a SMALLER TBI Butterfly than in their N/A EJ-20.
This was done to make the car more driveABLE.
This four cylinder would "put down" 300 HP with a displacement of 122 CID. (All OEM)
I WOULD RUN your TBSS intake, far BETTER for Turbo use.
Think "spool" as the Hi Ram use will cause Turbo Lag.
Lance, BTW I manufacture a DBC converstion for the 90mm Air Door ($135.00)
The Subaru EJ-20 TWIN TURBO JDM was a VERY Hi Performance ride in Japan.
THIS OEM (Fugi Heavy Industries) also fitted a SMALLER TBI Butterfly than in their N/A EJ-20.
This was done to make the car more driveABLE.
This four cylinder would "put down" 300 HP with a displacement of 122 CID. (All OEM)
I WOULD RUN your TBSS intake, far BETTER for Turbo use.
Think "spool" as the Hi Ram use will cause Turbo Lag.
Lance, BTW I manufacture a DBC converstion for the 90mm Air Door ($135.00)
cheapo throttle bodies can work fine, mine does. they can also be junk.
one thing you will run into is a poor flowing IAC passageway on the chinesium throttle bodies. if you want an easier time tuning the idle, get a good throttle body.
one thing you will run into is a poor flowing IAC passageway on the chinesium throttle bodies. if you want an easier time tuning the idle, get a good throttle body.
I had to make a G-plus work and not by choice it came with an intake my son in-law bought, I had to completely rework it because it leaked everywhere. The shaft leaked, It came with IAC and TPS and both had to be replaced because they leaked. In the end it works but I wouldn't buy one.
I had a Holley Sniper 92 and my tuner had issues with the TPS reading 0-4 degrees open when it was shut. We switched to a Nick Williams and no issues. Another big name product that I bought and found to be inferior.
I have a knockoff of a Fast 92 mm tb and the bad parts are the smaller iac ports. It makes you look like a newb tuner at low parking lot speeds (surge due to iac being insufficient to control steady rpm) while a stock 78/80 mm throttle body makes cold startup, idle, low speed cruising flawless with the same medium sized cam. I've never tried a pricey cable throttle body but if the iac ports are similar to factory, then it's DEFINITELY worth the money.
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Has anyone tried ANY Fi-tech products?? They make intake manifolds and a whole EFI fuel injection system for LSX stuff. Here is there 102mm throttle body:
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
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I was also looking at the Summit units, i mean, generally Summits stuff is on the dot so wondering if they d be good?? Meh... i just got my HP system and Dominator elect pump and 160 pounds injectors are on the way... all Holley so might as well bight the bullet eh? What s a couple more hundos on the Visa at this point LOL!! (Yeah, if only i was kidding...)
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Has anyone tried ANY Fi-tech products?? They make intake manifolds and a whole EFI fuel injection system for LSX stuff. Here is there 102mm throttle body:
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
They don't make them or have ever had anything to do with their design/manufacture.
That throttle body is a better design than the typical China throttle bodies, but I don't think anyone has tested them.
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Iac whistling The TPS slot on the china throttle bodies is a little crooked in most cases, and you'll have to Slightly open up the holes on the TPS sensor to angle it a few degrees in order to get a full 0 - 100% reading.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
The IAC on them is a mess. The port is tiny, and the openings in the front/back are about half the size of an OEM 3-bolt throttle body. This causes the IAC to suck and whistle. The IAC will sound like darth vader on statup, and be far less effective at controlling idle on a large cam, decel, etc. This can be fixed with a LOT of patience and a die-grinder.
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Has anyone tried ANY Fi-tech products?? They make intake manifolds and a whole EFI fuel injection system for LSX stuff. Here is there 102mm throttle body:
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
https://www.lsxceleration.com/fitech...ody-w-iac-tps/
Opinions? Facts? anyone know anything about these?
It comes with all the necessary provisions.
It's been nothing but a pleasure to use, so far. Plug and play, with minor adjustments to the TB Screw to get a smooth idle.
No drilling holes, no other drama.