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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
If it were a shaft Yella terra with someone else's springs I might be a little concerned, but we have never had the float issues that most people have had with a yella terra that some have. Also are you running the ultralight's? or the shaft type? and were the rockers on before with the other heads?
Just to answer your questions.. The Yella Terra's are the shaft type (which is assuming you are talking about they are both connected by a shaft running between them?)

The rockers were on in the original tune.. The ONLY thing that has changed since the original tune is the heads, LS7 lifters and clutch.. Nothing else has been done to the motor..
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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Here's what his look like. Besides that, they were on there prior to the head swap, and the engine ran great.

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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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I'm a newb, so please don't take my question as anything other than curiousity.

Why don't you look at the injector pulse widths from the run and compare the left and right bank. If they're the same, why no look at the fuel rail and see if something got messed up during the swap.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Not a bad question actually. I'll have to re-view the log, but from memory the banks were running evenly. Will definitely check the log and post it here later today.

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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Sorry, I haven't been at the computer much today. I will have Mike in the engine department look @ the pictures of the plugs and post in the morning.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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also, are those platinum plugs? if so yank them and put some NGK tr6's in it. It might not effect power, but it would be a good idea to get some better plugs in it.
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Old Oct 25, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
Sorry, I haven't been at the computer much today. I will have Mike in the engine department look @ the pictures of the plugs and post in the morning.
I took the plugs over to the tuner for him to have a look see and from the mechanics there and him they all agree that the build up on the plugs is oil.. Which would make sense since with the stock heads I had a valve seal go back and the plug looked exactly like that..

So I'm wondering if it's the valve seals that's causing the oil leak.. There is a fresh set of plugs in the motor now and I'm driving it over the weekend.. I'll be pulling the plugs on monday to see if they come out the same..

I'll be sure to post updated pix..
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:35 AM
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Well the buildup on the plugs wouldn't be oil from the old heads Jon, the plugs were spotless (all 8) when I put them in the new heads.
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Attached is the HPT logfile, we let it run and warmup. Near the end raised the engine RPM just to watch.
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dizz81
I took the plugs over to the tuner for him to have a look see and from the mechanics there and him they all agree that the build up on the plugs is oil.. Which would make sense since with the stock heads I had a valve seal go bad and the plug looked exactly like that..

So I'm wondering if it's the valve seals that's causing the oil leak.. There is a fresh set of plugs in the motor now and I'm driving it over the weekend.. I'll be pulling the plugs on monday to see if they come out the same..

I'll be sure to post updated pix..
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Well the buildup on the plugs wouldn't be oil from the old heads Jon, the plugs were spotless (all 8) when I put them in the new heads.
Never said anything about the build up being from the old heads.. Said I had the same thing happen WITH the old heads..
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Gotchya, my bad. Mis-read it =)
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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prehaps a clutch issue? just throwing it out there, more or less just wanted to subsribe.
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Old Oct 26, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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I'd say with how consistent the powerband is, it probably isn't a clutch.

Welcome to the thread btw
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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VesperWillow
Attached is the HPT logfile, we let it run and warmup. Near the end raised the engine RPM just to watch.
I'd like to see this with a load on it. Are the trims still to each other at higher power levels?
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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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Fueling under WOT would be the same bank to bank, but under part throttle can be different, especially if you have an exhaust leak etc on one bank. O2 sensors will see lean and dump in fuel. Check your fueling etc. Though if you are just doing WOT pulls on the dyno then ignore me
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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It's been awhile since we could do any work. We did a leakdown test yesterday and also checked the plugs which we put in since the last post. I have pics of it, I just need to upload them.

The plugs all looked like they were burning evenly and clean.

The leakdown test looked perfect, with cylinders registering less than 8 or 9 for loss. We checked valve seating, and air wasn't leaking around the valves either. Each cylinder was placed at TDC as per leakdown procedures.

Haven't done a compression test yet, but honestly the motor appears fine especially with such good results on the leakdown and the plugs burning evenly.

So:

Valvetrain was checked and is good (clearance, tolerance, PTV, geometry, etc--none of which should matter from what I've heard from several builders regarding these heads and the engine setup)

Leakdown is within spec

Plugs look good

.. So what next? Ideas? Try a different dyno just for kicks?
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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when was the first dyno done from the last setup to this setup? that makes a big difference. humidity, temp, every dyno is different at reading numbers. dynos are a tunning tool and thats all i would use it as who cares what the hp is, thats just for bragging rights. run it down the track and see if it made a difference or not then.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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I know it was done during the summertime.. I want to say June but I might be off. I know it was hotter and more humid than it is now..
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 12:39 PM
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so the new setup was hotter and more humid? that explains alot. if numbers are really important go do it again now since its cold see what it picks up.
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Old Nov 12, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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No.. the original dyno was done in the summertime. The new setup with the most recent dyno was done a few weeks ago in much colder/less humid weather. So, even if there were stock heads on there, there should be more power.

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