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Old May 15, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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A friend is building a 402 using the LS7 crank and rods with a custom set of 4.005 pistons. The pistons (flat top) will put the motor at 12:1 with 64cc heads, which we're hoping will run on pump fuel. The enigne is for a street driven, pump gas 98 Camaro. It will be sprayed occasionally with a small shot plus race fuel for the nitrous. He definitely wants to stay with a hyd. roller cam, stock rockers, and pump fuel. The intake he has is an LS6. Headers are 1 7/8" Kooks.

He has access to a set of Livernois Stage II CNC 243 casting heads. Will these heads be enough for this motor, or will he be wasting a lot of power by using them instead of an L92 or aftermarket head? What kind of power would he make with these heads?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 08:30 AM
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A friend is building a 402 using the LS7 crank and rods with a custom set of 4.005 pistons. The pistons (flat top) will put the motor at 12:1 with 64cc heads, which we're hoping will run on pump fuel. The enigne is for a street driven, pump gas 98 Camaro. It will be sprayed occasionally with a small shot plus race fuel for the nitrous. He definitely wants to stay with a hyd. roller cam, stock rockers, and pump fuel. The intake he has is an LS6. Headers are 1 7/8" Kooks.

He has access to a set of Livernois Stage II CNC 243 casting heads. Will these heads be enough for this motor, or will he be wasting a lot of power by using them instead of an L92 or aftermarket head? What kind of power would he make with these heads?
My 243's seem to be working out great and I have stage 1's from TSP. I say go for it and switch them later down the road if you feel you need to.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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Unless he is going all out full race then yes those heads will be fine. What size valves are in those heads? What cc volume are the ports?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 11:10 AM
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Unless he is going all out full race then yes those heads will be fine. What size valves are in those heads? What cc volume are the ports?
220cc Intake Runner and stock valves and chambers, with prc extreme springs. Here's the flow sheet on Livernois' website:

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I'd step up to larger valves then. 2.05" 1.60" would help the big motor breathe.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 04:23 PM
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Yes they will work. he will just be leaving alot on the table with the heads and ls6 intake. I had a set of ported stock heads,gained 40hp going to A.F.R's and another 20hp going to a fast intake.
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sell them and buy something that flows over 320 cfm you can buy patriots and they will be way better than those
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sell them and buy something that flows over 320 cfm you can buy patriots and they will be way better than those
Patriot's have been known to flow less than PRC's but I'm not sure about the livernois 2.5's. My heads (PRC) flowed 307 @ .600 and they are stage 1's with a stock size valve. I have heard of patriots flowing as bad as 290 @ .600 with there stage 1 head. IMO there isnt a better budget head than a PRC stage 1 LS6 or there 5.3 2.5's.
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My C6 with a 404 should be on the dyno next week. We went with ported 243 heads with bigger valves. Heads flow over 330 cfm. Also have a ported FAST92. I will update with my numbers. I think if the OP is going with the LS6 intake then the 243 heads will work good. Definately some power out there with a good aftermarket (AFT, TFS), but that is another $2500 bucks for those.
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Originally Posted by Fifedogg
My 243's seem to be working out great and I have stage 1's from TSP. I say go for it and switch them later down the road if you feel you need to.
And your car made 500rw with that combination?
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Originally Posted by Fifedogg
My 243's seem to be working out great and I have stage 1's from TSP. I say go for it and switch them later down the road if you feel you need to.
If I ever get around to dynoing my set-up I'll post the results.

I'm using the same heads you use
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Originally Posted by Fryguy302
And your car made 500rw with that combination?
Last time on the dyno it made 490 rwhp and 478 rwtq. My orignal #'s were with a 10 bolt.
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Originally Posted by Fifedogg
Patriot's have been known to flow less than PRC's but I'm not sure about the livernois 2.5's. My heads (PRC) flowed 307 @ .600 and they are stage 1's with a stock size valve. I have heard of patriots flowing as bad as 290 @ .600 with there stage 1 head. IMO there isnt a better budget head than a PRC stage 1 LS6 or there 5.3 2.5's.


my old ls6 style patriot stage III's flowed 318 and patriot clamims 320 thats pretty close and for only 1200 new or around 800 used i have seen them go as low as 600 i even paid 575 shipped for a pair
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Yes they will work. he will just be leaving alot on the table with the heads and ls6 intake. I had a set of ported stock heads,gained 40hp going to A.F.R's and another 20hp going to a fast intake.
Mike, were these 243 casting stock heads, or L92 stock heads?
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Old May 27, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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They were from my old set up 243's. before I went to my 402ci and l92's.
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We have a customer going 10.20 on motor, 3100lbs fbody with a 402 running hand ported 241 heads, hand ported by Rich Groh

so yeah, ported factory castings can be made to work well.
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thanks Fraser you guys rock ! yes there is more to do but on a budget they work well

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Originally Posted by Fifedogg
Patriot's have been known to flow less than PRC's but I'm not sure about the livernois 2.5's. My heads (PRC) flowed 307 @ .600 and they are stage 1's with a stock size valve. I have heard of patriots flowing as bad as 290 @ .600 with there stage 1 head. IMO there isnt a better budget head than a PRC stage 1 LS6 or there 5.3 2.5's.
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