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Old 06-25-2009 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
We've got a 457 long block that will run mid to low 9's in a 3300 lb car on 91 octane pump gas n/a for $15950 or a 460 you can spray up to a 200 shot on for $16750. 457 is an LS7 and the 460 is a re-sleeved LS2. But those are way beyond 550 rwhp We can do a nice 408 long block for you for about 8k and get you in the 550 range, you can spray a 250 shot on it or we can add some different rings and build it to take 300+

Or we could do a 416 and keep you in aluminum for about $9200. Have you around the 550 range and the ability to spray as well. So there are a few options and you certainly don't have to break the bank to hit the power levels your looking for.
Exactly. Blanco (and Erik) really know there ****, and it would be hard to find anyone more knowledgeable about what you are trying to do 97ta. I have used teh same machine shop for the last 20 years (I come from teh Ford camp), and while these guys are AWESOME, they have just recently started messing with teh LS stuff, but took my LS motor to them for teh sake of having trust in them and using them for so long. We have run into some minor problems along the way, that would have been picked up BEFORE we got into it, IF I had used Erik and Blanco
Not to get off topic, but my heads are a perfect example. I was trying to do something (that I shouldnt have) and if I had been using these guys (Erik and Blanco), I would not have been in the current situation, and having to buy ANOTHER cam, springs, retainers, etc...There is a long thread on this subject elsewhere. Now, it is NOT my guys (machine shops) fault at all, they just have not messed with the LS stuff that much, or they would have known.

Anyways, my point is, if you have Erik and Blanco working with you on a LS motor, you can't go wrong, and you ARE gonna make the power they say you are gonna make, and do it reliably at a good price
Old 06-25-2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by amadeospike
I don't know where this 550hp came from. But i would be one of those looking to max out hp with ci. I just don't know if it can be done with the the current OS.
The OP stated he was looking for 550-600 rwhp so we looked at it from that angle.

Have you looked at HPT and EFILive? They both come with custom OS. ( I admit tuning is not a strong point for me )
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Hey guys, I'm up here at Bloomington Gold this week for the Corvette show and I can tell you that the ERL 500 CI Superdeck II is very reliable. I just got back from driving it on the Hot Rod Power Tour a couple of weeks ago in our C5 and it ran great. We kept the suspension stock and put in a new stock tranny but that's it. We used 1 7/8 Kooks headers and LG's 3' exhaust and It dynoed on our engine dyno at 632 hp @ 620 ft lbs. Then it dynoed on the chassis dyno 538 hp @ 509 ft lbs on the L92 heads and a street cam. This thing runs on 93 oct. and is very streetable and reliable. The fully assembled shortblock is only 9,900.00 and that inlcudes the cam, intake spacer plates, head studs and gaskets as well as the fully assembled short block. It would be a great package to run. Let me know if I can help. Thanks!
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Hey guys, I'm up here at Bloomington Gold this week for the Corvette show and I can tell you that the ERL 500 CI Superdeck II is very reliable. I just got back from driving it on the Hot Rod Power Tour a couple of weeks ago in our C5 and it ran great. We kept the suspension stock and put in a new stock tranny but that's it. We used 1 7/8 Kooks headers and LG's 3' exhaust and It dynoed on our engine dyno at 632 hp @ 620 ft lbs. Then it dynoed on the chassis dyno 538 hp @ 509 ft lbs on the L92 heads and a street cam. This thing runs on 93 oct. and is very streetable and reliable. The fully assembled shortblock is only 9,900.00 and that inlcudes the cam, intake spacer plates, head studs and gaskets as well as the fully assembled short block. It would be a great package to run. Let me know if I can help. Thanks!
The 500ci is $9,900 for a complete short-block?


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Originally Posted by LS6427
The 500ci is $9,900 for a complete short-block?


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That's what the man said.

You could also do a 400-427 LONGblock for about the same price. Again, all depends on what you want to do, and the money you want to spend. The 500" motor is a serious piece (and costs accordingly). Do you need 500" to make 550 RWHP, no. Would I build a 500" motor? Heck yeah, if I had that type of money So, in the meantime, Ill stick with my lowly iron 414"
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9,900.00 is correct. You can check out our other packages on our website and we have alot more than just our 500 CI. Let me know if I can help.
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is that 416 for $9200 turn key?

btw, may sound like a stupid question but it needs to be asked: judging by some of the setups ive seen on ls1tech and other sites the ls7 doesn't look that superior than the ls3. is it worth the extra few g's to do a 427 over 418? the goal is a nice flat torquey motor close to 600rwhp that's a blast on the street an fun at the track when i go. not lookin do this anytime soon but could you enlighten me with some knowledge. more than likely if i go N/A it will be with HKE
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Originally Posted by airforcemanss
is that 416 for $9200 turn key?
It was a quick off the top of my head estimate for a long block, so it would not be a turnkey per say. You would need to add your intake and oil pan and various accessories.


may sound like a stupid question but it needs to be asked: judging by some of the setups ive seen on ls1tech and other sites the ls7 doesn't look that superior than the ls3. is it worth the extra few g's to do a 427 over 418? the goal is a nice flat torquey motor close to 600rwhp that's a blast on the street an fun at the track when i go. not lookin do this anytime soon but could you enlighten me with some knowledge. more than likely if i go N/A it will be with HKE
bigger the better is my motto

Its all in the proper combination and short-block preparation. A 408 can make 600rwhp so (not to be redundant) its all in the combination short-block heads(valvetrain big key) cam intake exhaust... needs to be well thought out not just thrown together. There are some very well thought out engines out there making excellent power and are very reliable and then there are some that are not.
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Originally Posted by airforcemanss
is that 416 for $9200 turn key?

btw, may sound like a stupid question but it needs to be asked: judging by some of the setups ive seen on ls1tech and other sites the ls7 doesn't look that superior than the ls3. is it worth the extra few g's to do a 427 over 418? the goal is a nice flat torquey motor close to 600rwhp that's a blast on the street an fun at the track when i go. not lookin do this anytime soon but could you enlighten me with some knowledge. more than likely if i go N/A it will be with HKE
Well, you can also do a 427 for less than you are thinking, as you don't HAVE to use the LS7 block. You could get there with a $750 6.0 iron block if you wanted to (stroke would put the piston into a SHORT compression height, and not recommend for a power adder with that setup) You could also use the LSx iron block and get there for @ $800+ less than the LS7 block. You could even do a L92 block 427, for @ $1500 less, so keep that in mind.
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thanks fellas. i am aware of those options i have. i def wanna stay away from nitrous. im starting to lean toward the turbo setups recently but the quick throttle response and rumble of the exhaust makes me think twice and stay with my original plan of a stroker. i currently got my headers up for sale so if they sell ill go the turbo route and if not ill go the N/A route. weight is a concern for me so no iron. im not lookin to be the fastest **** although that would be nice im just building the car up right now overtime and once the im down with suspension and the rear ill be ready for a drop in it's just so hard with all the options and variables to know what ya want you know what i mean lol im like a lil kid in a candy store... i wanna lick every lollipop i see lol. maybe you guys can convince me to stay N/A. honestly i would love to run a stroker ls3 418 with a 100shot to be safe but i see bad things with nitrous. i know its all in the tune but it just seems often. sorry for the write up fellas. im enjoyin my sunday how bout you guys




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