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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
FYI-these heads along with most other great heads are designed and made without the aid of a flowbench-everything is done through computer modeling software-flow numbers do not matter.
I hear ya...definitely badass heads. Just a common question to ask about flow.

Would you recommend these heads for a daily driver 441ci?

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Originally Posted by LS6427
I hear ya...definitely badass heads. Just a common question to ask about flow.

Would you recommend these heads for a daily driver 441ci?

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if you want it to make alot of power yes-a motor that big needs a head like this
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
here are the flow numbers from the 285cc ls7 heads on my sf1020 flow bench no pipe on the exhaust 4.125 bore.These numbers will be much different from a sf600 bench that most people use


0.100 77 65
0.200 160 117
0.300 240 168
0.400 304 210
0.500 345 230
0.600 380 244
0.700 393 253

here are the 275cc catherdral port numbers-the exhaust numbers were for the smaller turbo exhasut port-the std port is the same as the ls7 stuff


.100 76 62
.200 158 114
.300 232 160
.400 295 195
.500 340 225
.600 370 238
.700 378 246
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0.400 304 210

Over 300cfm @.400 lift .... Impressive !!
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
if you want it to make alot of power yes-a motor that big needs a head like this
for the same kind of DD he asked about, would an LS7 or ported FAST 102 be good enough to feed these monsters?


they look great, wish i had the money for them......and something to put them on
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for the same kind of DD he asked about, would an LS7 or ported FAST 102 be good enough to feed these monsters?

Hell no, not even close to their max potential........ LS7's and ported FAST intakes can't even feed L92 or LS7 heads to their max potential.

Takes a serious intake to feed ~400cfm heads, plastic intakes for LSx engines are kind of pathetic.

ITB intakes are the only way to feed them to get close to their MAX POTENTIAL...........

and here we go..........hahahahaha

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Originally Posted by LS6427
Hell no, not even close to their max potential........ LS7's and ported FAST intakes can't even feed L92 or LS7 heads to their max potential.

Takes a serious intake to feed ~400cfm heads, plastic intakes for LSx engines are kind of pathetic.

ITB intakes are the only way to feed them to get close to their MAX POTENTIAL...........

and here we go..........hahahahaha

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If that were the case EVERYONE would be using ITB intakes.

I agree the plastic intakes are going to be a restriction.
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
If that were the case EVERYONE would be using ITB intakes.
ITB's are very expensive....thats why you don't see alot more of them. A $300-$800 plastic intake that works pretty good is a big difference in price for 99% of people than the cheapest $3,000 Jenvey ITB intake.

I agree the plastic intakes are going to be a restriction.
And thats all I was saying.....ain't no way any plastic intake will get anywhere near being able to feed those heads TO THEIR MAX POTENTIAL.

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Originally Posted by LS6427
ITB's are very expensive....thats why you don't see alot more of them. A $300-$800 plastic intake that works pretty good is a big difference in price for 99% of people than the cheapest $3,000 Jenvey ITB intake.

And thats all I was saying.....ain't no way any plastic intake will get anywhere near being able to feed those heads TO THEIR MAX POTENTIAL.

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I'm thinkin a sheet metal intake with 2 split dominators might work.

Most people know that, but to say that the ITB intake is the only option is crazy.
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actually most itb's are a restriction on these heads.itb's are made more for a broad power range and have a small cross section runner.We have made 740hp with itb's on a set of Cary's 275cc catherdral port heads but the intake was killing it up top.a sheetmetal is going the only way to really flow the air the next would probably be Cary's cast intake.
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
I'm thinkin a sheet metal intake with 2 split dominators might work.

Most people know that, but to say that the ITB intake is the only option is crazy.
I never said an ITB is the ONLY option...I'm just saying its the only way to reach MAX POTENTIAL.

You talking about the tall intakes with two big carbs on top????? Yeah, those are badass for sure. I'm trying to keep things under the hood......lol I'm also more of a street car kind of guy....not an all out drag car.

But I see what you mean. Definitely other options.

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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
actually most itb's are a restriction on these heads.itb's are made more for a broad power range and have a small cross section runner.We have made 740hp with itb's on a set of Cary's 275cc catherdral port heads but the intake was killing it up top.a sheetmetal is going the only way to really flow the air the next would probably be Cary's cast intake.
Good info Shawn.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
actually most itb's are a restriction on these heads.itb's are made more for a broad power range and have a small cross section runner.We have made 740hp with itb's on a set of Cary's 275cc catherdral port heads but the intake was killing it up top.a sheetmetal is going the only way to really flow the air the next would probably be Cary's cast intake.
Sheet metals are for high revving, correct? Not really street car stuff, and very hard to tune for the street from what I've been learning.

Have you seen this? Whats your opinions on the RWHP claims of 752 RWHP. Its not engine HP, its RWHP on a chassis dyno.......

http://www.streetfire.net/video/GTM-...ETC_184408.htm

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Originally Posted by LS6427
Sheet metals are for high revving, correct? Not really street car stuff, and very hard to tune for the street from what I've been learning.

Have you seen this? Whats your opinions on the RWHP claims of 752 RWHP. Its not engine HP, its RWHP on a chassis dyno.......

http://www.streetfire.net/video/GTM-...ETC_184408.htm

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sheetmetal intakes can be made for a variety of cars-street cars with stock hoods,high rpm drag cars,road race etc.That's the beauty of sheetmetal-you can have what you want made.

yeah,that's about 800hp in that car.That's not hard to believe,we made 740 with a .620 lift cam and 11.2-1 compression on pump gas.the intake is a restriction-no matter how you cut it.The PI ls7 heads will easily make 900hp on the right engine with the right intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
sheetmetal intakes can be made for a variety of cars-street cars with stock hoods,high rpm drag cars,road race etc.That's the beauty of sheetmetal-you can have what you want made.

yeah,that's about 800hp in that car.That's not hard to believe,we made 740 with a .620 lift cam and 11.2-1 compression on pump gas.the intake is a restriction-no matter how you cut it.The PI ls7 heads will easily make 900hp on the right engine with the right intake manifold.
Shawn, from which rpm would the Sheet metal equal and start to go away from the ITBs? Would the TQ from 2.5k-4 suffer drastically over lets say a fast or ITBs?
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
sheetmetal intakes can be made for a variety of cars-street cars with stock hoods,high rpm drag cars,road race etc.That's the beauty of sheetmetal-you can have what you want made.

yeah,that's about 800hp in that car.That's not hard to believe,we made 740 with a .620 lift cam and 11.2-1 compression on pump gas.the intake is a restriction-no matter how you cut it.The PI ls7 heads will easily make 900hp on the right engine with the right intake manifold.
I wonder why we can't see MANY N/A cars made 700rwhp and over since it is not so hard to make this kind of power?

Which head u recommend for LS7/LSX440 engine ( Bore 4.185 x stroke 4.000 ) ?? how much ?
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Originally Posted by FreakChevy
I wonder why we can't see MANY N/A cars made 700rwhp and over since it is not so hard to make this kind of power?

Which head u recommend for LS7/LSX440 engine ( Bore 4.185 x stroke 4.000 ) ?? how much ?
it's not hard at all-it just costs alot of money-when somebody wants(and has the money) 700rwhp n/a out of a street car all they have to do is pick up the phone and call me.I will make it happen.

What are your plans for the engine?
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Shawn, from which rpm would the Sheet metal equal and start to go away from the ITBs? Would the TQ from 2.5k-4 suffer drastically over lets say a fast or ITBs?
depends on how the manifold is built-it you build it for mid range tq-you will lose some up top-if it's built for up top,it will lose some down low.until we build manifold with runners that will shorten with rpm we are stuck with physics.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
depends on how the manifold is built-it you build it for mid range tq-you will lose some up top-if it's built for up top,it will lose some down low.until we build manifold with runners that will shorten with rpm we are stuck with physics.
well, uve done everything else... get to work
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