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Old 09-16-2010, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by magnum-gto
Very surprising 9.240" deck minus 6.125" rod minus 2.125" crank travel
equals a piston compression distance of 0.990"!! (zero in the hole)
= lets hope the rings seal...

I would have optioned for shorter rods myself. Good luck on the build. Those RHS blocks sure do look promising. Is there any information on the limits of these blocks where the bore size in concerned? I read they are sold as a 4.125 or a 4.165 bore block but it doesn't say anywhere what the MAX recommended bore size would be?
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Originally Posted by Irish350
How are you baffeling it? Any other out-of-the-norm stuff for oiling, or KISS?
Actually we had to switch to an Autocraft pan for stroke clearance.. it has a full four-way trap door system.

And a big oil cooling system.. Moroso pump with the high pressure spring. Wish the oil squirters were on the market.
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Originally Posted by melsie68
= lets hope the rings seal...

I would have optioned for shorter rods myself. Good luck on the build. Those RHS blocks sure do look promising. Is there any information on the limits of these blocks where the bore size in concerned? I read they are sold as a 4.125 or a 4.165 bore block but it doesn't say anywhere what the MAX recommended bore size would be?
Max bore is 4.165.. so I'm told.

Lunati didn't offer a shorter rod, but Wiseco put a lot of thought into these pistons and the RHS sleeve design helps as well.


Ok.. so a few days of machine work at Nelson Racing followed by three days of building and I'm dynoing the 460 RHS engine tomorrow at Westech Performance.

Any guesses?

The 454 made 650 there and this one should make a bit more due to the better heads and a slight bump in compression (11.5:1)



A very detailed build, we flowed the Mast heads and then modded the valves to give more flow in the low to mid range area.. should be a torquie sucker.

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Tom (at Nelson Racing Engines) also port matched the FAST intake to the heads and cleaned it up a bit.. hey, every bit helps.

We didn't build this to make some crazy high "magazine number".. if so it would have been solid with a valvetrain capable of reving higher.. we want lots of low and midrange torque given how we use the car.

Should know tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Steve1969LS1
Any guesses?
Oh so we're playing the guessing game now? I'm first,

about 680, possibly more depending on your cam.
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Very nice build..... who makes the front cover on your motor. I know that the RHS block has a raised cam and needs to have the cam sensor relocated.
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Very nice build..... who makes the front cover on your motor. I know that the RHS block has a raised cam and needs to have the cam sensor relocated.
It's a GM front cover.. the rear cover is specific to the RHS block but the front cover doesn't care that the cam is raised. The cam sensor doesn't need to be moved since it's still in a position to read the sprocket even with the raised cam.
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Drum roll....

Now I forgot my small camera at the dyno so no video yet. I also shot the run on the screen so you can see all the numbers as well as the vid in the dyno room. I will also have the list at various RPM along with all the BMEP numbers.

So.. the best pull was...

719.5 hp
662 tq

Corrected numbers, pump gas, 28 degrees of timing.

On this pull we lugged the dyno down low, it was a bit rich but we made over 400 lb-ft at 2.500.

Peak hp was at 6.200 and the engine easily pulled to 6,700 with no float. Pretty sure it could pull to 7,000.

Good BMEP numbers, which show the heads were really working well, especially in the middle range.

Also, this was a "hero" pull.. we were nailing down consistent 705/708 pulls and let the engine set for 5-10 minutes and then made this pull.

Should be enough.. lol
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Originally Posted by Steve1969LS1
Should be enough.. lol
...you think? Torque monster! Got a few old tree stumps in my yard that could use a pull .
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Impressive, congratulations.
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Holy ****!!! That is one BadAss Build!!! Off the subject, But, What kind of Rocker arms are those???
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Originally Posted by 99LSS1
Holy ****!!! That is one BadAss Build!!! Off the subject, But, What kind of Rocker arms are those???
Thanks

LS7 GM rockers that were bushed by CHE.. Good stuff
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and just think thats with a smaller cam than what could be used. Good numbers for sure
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Originally Posted by 3.8redbird
and just think thats with a smaller cam than what could be used. Good numbers for sure
Did I miss something? Which cam was run? Snot or not?
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Originally Posted by LPE 403
Did I miss something? Which cam was run? Snot or not?
I ran the Mary Ann cam.. not the Ginger cam.. lol

I really wanted good street manners so I went with the smaller durration cam with a higher LSA.

I can get the specs for that cam if ya want.
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Yep cam specs please
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Awesome results! Great build, those big cubes, Mast/PI heads, and FAST ls3 are delivering the goods. From the sounds of it, it is a real deal streetable/reliable setup. Enjoy it. What car is it destined for?
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great results in a great car! I like the valve cover setup w/ the coils, where is that from?
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Thats bloody awesome mate.
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Video..

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