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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 12:40 PM
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I am looking for advice from someone who has experience with similar set-ups to mine. I am getting valve float over 6,000 rpms. Below is my current set-up. Need recommendations on good springs that people have had proven success with on similar set-ups. This set-up is currently N/A. May add a 200 shot of nitrous down the road.

heads - PI/Mast Big Bore LS7 heads
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/2010/... - Bare&id=359

intake valves - from Mast Motorsports
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/2010/...=Valves&id=169

I think these are the exhaust valves, I don't believe they are hollow stems.
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/2010/...=Valves&id=161

Lifters = morel link bar limited travel

Rockers - T&D adjustable shaft rockers - 1.8

Cam - 243 247 LSL 112+4 .661 lift

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What springs are in it now?
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What springs are in it now?
These ones from MAST -

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/2010/...Springs&id=183
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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hydro or solid roller
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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hydro or solid roller
Hydraulic - Morel limited travel
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 04:50 PM
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im only guessing, maybe the lifters are calapsing
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 05:24 PM
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NEED to know what springs MAST installed on your heads. springs are VERY important.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 05:29 PM
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Lighter valvetrain.

Need to know what springs you have and how they are setup.

Rockers are heavy pigs, swap to oem rockers and try it out.
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Originally Posted by 3pedals
NEED to know what springs MAST installed on your heads. springs are VERY important.
All I know about the springs is what I posted in post #3.

I agree springs are important and I am certain they are the problem. That is why I am looking for input on what springs others have used successfully with similar set-ups.
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what are the installed specs on the spings? What PR. How much preload on the lifter.

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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 10:16 PM
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What engine do you have these heads on? What intake and fuel set up are you running?
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Sorry to get off topic but how much compression are you running? E85? I am really impressed with the rwhp given the problem. Thats an awesome number to put down by only 6100 rpms. Most guys cant get that even with larger cams. Good luck and keep us informed.
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Originally Posted by Gray86hatch
what are the installed specs on the spings? What PR. How much preload on the lifter.

Tim
Sorry, but I don't know the answer to these questions. This stuff was done by a shop.
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Originally Posted by Sdunn
What engine do you have these heads on? What intake and fuel set up are you running?
LS7 engine, FAST 102 intake, NW 102 Throttle body, 8.1L bucket.
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Sorry to get off topic but how much compression are you running? E85? I am really impressed with the rwhp given the problem. Thats an awesome number to put down by only 6100 rpms. Most guys cant get that even with larger cams. Good luck and keep us informed.
I think the compression is around 11.5.

Pump gas - 93 octane.

It is a M6 with 4.10 gears.
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I have no "proof" per se but seeing as there are simply not that many spring manufacturers out there the MAST springs appear mighty similar to PAC springs which are very good quality. Considering this;

Im agreeing with above. Ditch those heavy *** rocker arms for some stockers and see how it goes. Its a cheap, fast, and simple thing to start with. If that doesnt do it then lighter valvetrain is probably your answer but still... Lots of guys revving the **** to 7K RPM on solid valves without issues so?
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I agree with Cam. I had a 6.0 with aftermarket heads, springs, retainers, and rocker arms, and at 6,200 rpms full throttle at track would will feel like a engine miss or skip, real bad on 2-3 shift. Come to find out was valve float, replaced rocker arms with factory rockers and never had problem again.
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I would stuggest checking the springs to see what the pressures are first. 150-400 at least is needed.

How was the tune I have seen that cause issues that look like valvetrain issues.

Tim
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Thanks for all the input.

What I am really looking for is someone with experience with similar set-ups to tell me / sell me some proven springs.
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Those springs should be fine, I know who's they are. How close to coil bind did you engine builder set em to?

What type of retainer are you using?
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