Engine Build for 69 Camaro and New to LS World
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Teching In
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Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I have some more questions.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
You should look into a LY6. They replaced the LQ9, and already have the heads on them you are looking for. These engines are iron block, 6.0 liter, with VVT. You can remove the VVT if your not comfortable with modding it, but I left mine. It's actually cool technology that will make your engine feel bigger than it really is. Mast Motorsports experimented with the VVT stuff for over a year before the others caught on to the advantages of the technology. Bottom line is this: LY6 plus a Mast VVT camshaft, long tube headers, and a LS3 intake, and you have yourself an inexpensive 500 horsepower engine that will be reliable, AND driveable. And for me personally, 500 HP is plenty of go go for the street.
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Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I have some more questions.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
Hooker makes some swap headers as well as motor mounts. Hell even GM now makes a conversion pan for the early models. Do some research on accessory drive parts - not sure all will clear stock front sub frame.
Make sure to add up all the parts costs before pulling the trigger. As you now have a SBC car don't loose sight of a stroker version of the old guy - $10K can get you pretty close to 600 hp in a crate motor. You could have this in and be driving in a day.
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Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I have some more questions.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
I want to have around 550hp at the wheels. From some of the research I've done so far I want to find a junkyard LQ4/9 complete and then add L92/LS3 heads. That's about as far as I've decided on stuff so far.
I want to keep the engine carb'd and my camaro already has a muncie 4 speed in it with 12 bolt rear end. I was wondering if anyone has done any LS swaps into 1st gen camaros and what is all involved? I know I will need to get the MSD ignition box for this conversion. Will I be able to hook the LQ4/9 up to the muncie? By staying with a carb and only having to do the ignition box what sensors will I need to keep in the LQ4/9? Can I keep the same fuel system setup that's stock in the camaro since I'm staying with a carb?
I am still in the planning stages right now. Just want to make sure I have a plan so I get all of the right parts. Any other input you guys have would be greatly appreciated.
Quick time bell housing #QTI-RM-6036
Hooker motor mounts # HOK-12624HKR
Good luck with your project!
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You should look into a LY6. They replaced the LQ9, and already have the heads on them you are looking for. These engines are iron block, 6.0 liter, with VVT. You can remove the VVT if your not comfortable with modding it, but I left mine. It's actually cool technology that will make your engine feel bigger than it really is. Mast Motorsports experimented with the VVT stuff for over a year before the others caught on to the advantages of the technology. Bottom line is this: LY6 plus a Mast VVT camshaft, long tube headers, and a LS3 intake, and you have yourself an inexpensive 500 horsepower engine that will be reliable, AND driveable. And for me personally, 500 HP is plenty of go go for the street.
I was just saying LQ4 with L92 heads as a start towards a 408. I would build the rest of the engine but don't know yet what else I would all go with yet. That's what I'm doing now is planning it all out and how much I will have spent in it. I know the crate engines are reasonably prices and have a lot of power but I would like the satisfaction of "I built this" type of feeling.
Check the conversions section. There are several there that has completed their swap. They go into detail on what brackets and headers. Lots of info and they are more than helpful.
The LY6 is gonna cost you more than say a LQ9, but its already got the heads you want. I was simply giving you an inexpensive route to follow. This stuff adds up fast. I have $4200 in my engine. That's with the cam kit, LS3 intake, and long tube headers. I know it can be had cheaper, because I paid way more for my LY6 than most on here. And of course you realize that going carb will add substantial cost, even if you have the carb already. The intake, and ignition control units are pricey. And you can always go to a 408 with your LY6 down the road. Does the price you listed for the LQ9 come with harness and accessories? There are a million small details that will eat a hole in your wallet fast in this game. Again, I'm just trying to save you some money.
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The LY6 is gonna cost you more than say a LQ9, but its already got the heads you want. I was simply giving you an inexpensive route to follow. This stuff adds up fast. I have $4200 in my engine. That's with the cam kit, LS3 intake, and long tube headers. I know it can be had cheaper, because I paid way more for my LY6 than most on here. And of course you realize that going carb will add substantial cost, even if you have the carb already. The intake, and ignition control units are pricey. And you can always go to a 408 with your LY6 down the road. Does the price you listed for the LQ9 come with harness and accessories? There are a million small details that will eat a hole in your wallet fast in this game. Again, I'm just trying to save you some money.
For carb vs injection I think it would be cheaper to stay with a carb since that would just be intake and ignition module for me rather than the expense of converting to injection.
Those prices say they come with complete engines that include accessories. I'm all open for money savers and input. Any help is much appreciated.
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Look at ls3 heads. Same price and lighter valves. If you go with stock internals budget for fly cutting if you want to run a food size cam.
Tsnow has a good write up with pics on his. There is 6-7 others that update often also. There is a sticky just for conversions on our cars. Lots of good info.
Tsnow has a good write up with pics on his. There is 6-7 others that update often also. There is a sticky just for conversions on our cars. Lots of good info.
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Look at ls3 heads. Same price and lighter valves. If you go with stock internals budget for fly cutting if you want to run a food size cam.
Tsnow has a good write up with pics on his. There is 6-7 others that update often also. There is a sticky just for conversions on our cars. Lots of good info.
Tsnow has a good write up with pics on his. There is 6-7 others that update often also. There is a sticky just for conversions on our cars. Lots of good info.
I will go with LS3 heads then. I didn't know that, I thought they were the same.
why are you dead set on the carb? no offense but fuel injection will offer better tuning and reliability than a carb setup will plus you can skip out on the msd box. I would do as said and get an ly6 engine with decent miles and swap an ls3 intake on it throw in a vvt cam and have at it. The result will be a car that is fun on the street and drives like stock when you want it to.
If you get an lq9 you will have to buy the new heads new springs, new gaskets etc. you will have new heads but honestly there really shouldnt be any significant wear on a lower mileage engine like the ly6. In the end the ly6 may even bea tad cheaper, you will also get the benefit of vvt which means you can run a larger cam and still retain your down low grunt.
If you get an lq9 you will have to buy the new heads new springs, new gaskets etc. you will have new heads but honestly there really shouldnt be any significant wear on a lower mileage engine like the ly6. In the end the ly6 may even bea tad cheaper, you will also get the benefit of vvt which means you can run a larger cam and still retain your down low grunt.
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why are you dead set on the carb? no offense but fuel injection will offer better tuning and reliability than a carb setup will plus you can skip out on the msd box. I would do as said and get an ly6 engine with decent miles and swap an ls3 intake on it throw in a vvt cam and have at it. The result will be a car that is fun on the street and drives like stock when you want it to.
If you get an lq9 you will have to buy the new heads new springs, new gaskets etc. you will have new heads but honestly there really shouldnt be any significant wear on a lower mileage engine like the ly6. In the end the ly6 may even bea tad cheaper, you will also get the benefit of vvt which means you can run a larger cam and still retain your down low grunt.
If you get an lq9 you will have to buy the new heads new springs, new gaskets etc. you will have new heads but honestly there really shouldnt be any significant wear on a lower mileage engine like the ly6. In the end the ly6 may even bea tad cheaper, you will also get the benefit of vvt which means you can run a larger cam and still retain your down low grunt.
I'm set on a carb because I want to keep the old school "no computer" kinda feel to the car. I know the ignition and that is computerized. My dad is a mechanic who I have learned all of my car skills from and my little brother is finishing up school for high performance to work on drag cars so they both have a good knowledge of carbs. I view tuning a carb easier than tuning fuel injection since I can do it myself. I've also read that it can be expensive to convert over to fuel injection (the rest of the car).
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This summer I swapped an LS engine into my 1969 Camaro and retained the stock Muncie transmission. Quick time makes a bell housing that bolts up to the LS block and fits the Muncie trans. Everything fit perfectly and I was able to use the stock cross member. Here are the parts I used on my swap:
Quick time bell housing #QTI-RM-6036
Hooker motor mounts # HOK-12624HKR
Good luck with your project!
Quick time bell housing #QTI-RM-6036
Hooker motor mounts # HOK-12624HKR
Good luck with your project!
How much did you get the bell housing for? Summit is showing it for $578 didn't think it was that expensive....
