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Old 03-31-2016, 08:39 PM
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The cam in the 376/525 is known as the ASA cam, it has lower lift than a stock LS3 cam and more power can be made with a higher valve lift....problem is the LS3 crate motor comes with Pistons without valve clearance notches in the Pistons while the displacement on demand LS3 motors in auto trans equipped Camaros have valve notches. Increasing the lift and duration of a LS3 cam can quickly get you into valve to piston interference problems. You really fight the fact that the LS3 crate motor cannot be equipped with a proper cam unless you machine/replace the Pistons. The FAST intake has not been proven to make significant power increase over a LS3 intake your better spending your $$$ on porting a factory intake for 1/3 the expense of the FAST. Your 376/525 motor comes with a warranty from GM perhaps keeping it stock might be the best plan of action for a while, it should make pretty good power with a free flowing exhaust system on it. In a lightweight car it should do very well right out of the crate....maybe consider a LS7 motor if really big HP numbers are in your plans. The LS3 can make 550HP but, the LS7.....625+ is easily done.
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Originally Posted by 427 zeo6
.......Increasing the lift and duration of a LS3 cam can quickly get you into valve to piston interference problems........
Lift has no bearing on PVC.....and duration is only partially involved.

Valve opening and closing events impact PVC.

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Old 03-31-2016, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Lift has no bearing on PVC

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Uh, then what other magical statistic is lifting the valves off their seats, towards the pistons?



I get it's not the whole picture, but come on dude, lol.
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Valve size, angle, piston design, deck height, cam lift, ramp and duration. If you wanted to get **** stoke, rod length, piston dwell and expansion rate of all material could also play a small part! And of course they are all interrelated! Yes I have been known to over think things!


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Originally Posted by DietCoke
Uh, then what other magical statistic is lifting the valves off their seats, towards the pistons?



I get it's not the whole picture, but come on dude, lol.
When you show me a cam profile that has the valves fully opened when the pistons are at or near DTC.....AND......where .050" to .100" of an inch will make any difference what-so-ever between whether there's valve/piston contact or no contact, then and only then will you have me convinced.

Otherwise.....I'll put all valve/piston contact on WHEN the valves open and close versus how much they open.

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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
When you show me a cam profile that has the valves fully opened when the pistons are at or near DTC.....AND......where .050" to .100" of an inch will make any difference what-so-ever between whether there's valve/piston contact or no contact, then and only then will you have me convinced.

Otherwise.....I'll put all valve/piston contact on WHEN the valves open and close versus how much they open.

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Show me a cam profile that is round and has .000 lift where it is possible for a valve to hit a piston, ever, period.



Come on dude. Without lift the valve never leaves the seat.
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I'm going to get me an old flat head Ford and never worry about PVC again! Valve to head, maybe!


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Old 04-03-2016, 10:26 AM
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I was hoping we would hear how/if the car is running? Anyone know?
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
.....Come on dude. Without lift the valve never leaves the seat.
Lobe lift is not an issue in a usable cam. I mean.....you can't account for flat out stupidity when it comes to spec'ing a cam.

I could spec a cam that would have PVC issues with .400" of lift. But I'm not (and I'm pretty sure you're not) so stupid as to say lift was the issue with that cam.

Just like a properly spec'ed cam can have .660" lift and not have any PVC issues in the same engine.

The .400" cam won't have PVC issues because of lift, it'll have those issues because of when the valves open and close. And you'd have to be beyond stupid to spec such an unusable cam.

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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Lobe lift is not an issue in a usable cam.

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True because when a piston is beating the h-ll out of a valve it's not going to be a "usable" cam! If you think lift does not matter call Comp Cams and ask them should you check your PVC when changing to a higher ratio rocker! This will change your valve timing and duration nil, pretty much only LIFT! For a High Performance engine I can already tell you what they are going to say!


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Old 04-04-2016, 10:01 AM
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Some of you guys are too literal. Peak lift doesn't really affect PTV clearance and I think we all know that's what KW was talking about.
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Originally Posted by KCS
Some of you guys are too literal. Peak lift doesn't really affect PTV clearance and I think we all know that's what KW was talking about.
Isn't what he said or inferred. He said lift doesnt matter. It does, period.
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
Isn't what he said or inferred. He said lift doesnt matter. It does, period.
Yes he did:

Originally Posted by KW Baraka
When you show me a cam profile that has the valves fully opened when the pistons are at or near DTC...

Otherwise.....I'll put all valve/piston contact on WHEN the valves open and close versus how much they open.

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Originally Posted by KCS
Yes he did:
Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Lift has no bearing on PVC

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No he didn't, captain save a bro.
Old 04-04-2016, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DietCoke
No he didn't, captain save a bro.
You are either really dense or just an argumentative troll. You're focusing on what was said first and not the following statements that explain what he meant.
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Originally Posted by KCS
You are either really dense or just an argumentative troll. You're focusing on what was said first and not the following statements that explain what he meant.
Good thing I replied to what was said first, and it's STILL categorically incorrect.
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In the "Real World" lift matters! In the real world valves don't go from 0.0" to open 0.660" in zero degrees of crankshaft movement (and piston movement)! Even with F-1 and Indy engines with pneumatic valves springs there are limits to how fast valves can open and close! With this in mind, it means the valve is open wider longer! That means more chance of PVC sometime during the valves cycle! When it happened is not going to fix the hole in your piston!


Again it IS all interrelated, part of the whole system!


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Originally Posted by LS525cobra

Again it IS all interrelated, part of the whole system!


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Not wanting to pirate the post but what the heck is your car Diet Coke? My Cobra kit should only 300 or so pounds more!


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Exocet. They come a lot lighter then mine but its loaded down with a FIA spec cage, steel floors, extra coolers and a big oil accumulator.


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