ERL resleeved LS2 454 vs LSX 454
03-29-2015 | 01:17 PM
#41
OP this is a great thread with a lot of good info and even more good opinions. I wanted to give a little more info on the ERL blocks, as stated there area few different types of sleeved blocks that are sold and set up for different applications. Street application on stock sleeve packages to our dry sleeve then superdeck blocks that we rate to 1500hp packages! The web site offers the best info on packages and prices but; I wanted to give my opinion on the "race build" set ups and why we promote the 6 Bolt Superdeck. Again this is just my opinion at this point : the superdeck process (4 or 6 bolts) retains more of the factory casting than others out there. The addition of the weld in trusses to reduce the torsional side load created by "big power" will keep the block from distorting and in turn moving. With the additional 6 Bolt option to aid in the clampimg force and overall sealing I am bias to the ERL blocks being one of the best options out there for making power. As stated the tolerances and strict manufacturing processes on our in house products allow for the type of results we see. Somewhere in this section is a awesome write up on our shop tour with some great pictures of that. For the last time this is just my opinion on this and I am only putting that out there as such. I know there are many out there! 
My other opinion is you look into our M7 package.
My other opinion is you look into our M7 package.
03-29-2015 | 01:34 PM
#42
OP this is a great thread with a lot of good info and even more good opinions. I wanted to give a little more info on the ERL blocks, as stated there area few different types of sleeved blocks that are sold and set up for different applications. Street application on stock sleeve packages to our dry sleeve then superdeck blocks that we rate to 1500hp packages! The web site offers the best info on packages and prices but; I wanted to give my opinion on the "race build" set ups and why we promote the 6 Bolt Superdeck. Again this is just my opinion at this point : the superdeck process (4 or 6 bolts) retains more of the factory casting than others out there. The addition of the weld in trusses to reduce the torsional side load created by "big power" will keep the block from distorting and in turn moving. With the additional 6 Bolt option to aid in the clampimg force and overall sealing I am bias to the ERL blocks being one of the best options out there for making power. As stated the tolerances and strict manufacturing processes on our in house products allow for the type of results we see. Somewhere in this section is a awesome write up on our shop tour with some great pictures of that. For the last time this is just my opinion on this and I am only putting that out there as such. I know there are many out there! My other opinion is you look into our M7 package.
My other opinion is you look into our M7 package.
03-29-2015 | 04:51 PM
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The Superdeck II turns the block into a tall deck block which changes things but the Superdeck I (which I am having built now) requires nothing custom.
03-29-2015 | 05:32 PM
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^ Correct. Sorry for the delayed response, the superdeck one 4 or 6 bolts remain standard deck height while the now discontinued superdeck two was the tall deck set up. I am glad you are looking at the M7. It is a proven package and with a nice set of heads they make great power and torque!
04-04-2015 | 11:09 PM
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04-05-2015 | 01:21 AM
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I personally don't like the 4.185 bore wither because of what you said and the gaskets are also harder to get fully sealed with that size bore too.
04-05-2015 | 08:09 AM
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4.155 will give you 1 or 2 rebuilds too.
I know a guy that did 4.185 and N02 (200 shot), lost a head gaskets between the cylinder I suspect and filled the cylinder with coolant and oil, hydrolocked it and cracked the liner on an rhs block.
04-05-2015 | 08:37 AM
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Yes, 4.155 x 4.0, went 4.0 instead of 4.1 to reduce piston speed otherwise I would have went to 440.
4.155 will give you 1 or 2 rebuilds too.
I know a guy that did 4.185 and N02 (200 shot), lost a head gaskets between the cylinder I suspect and filled the cylinder with coolant and oil, hydrolocked it and cracked the liner on an rhs block.
4.155 will give you 1 or 2 rebuilds too.
I know a guy that did 4.185 and N02 (200 shot), lost a head gaskets between the cylinder I suspect and filled the cylinder with coolant and oil, hydrolocked it and cracked the liner on an rhs block.
04-05-2015 | 09:23 AM
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The M7 does have the largest bore provided on the Dry Sleeve Blocks. While it is suggested as a street/strip N/A engine I have seen some do what the above have said about tightening up the bore to help in sealing if a power adder such as NO2 is wanted. You could add a 1/2" HSK option to aid as well on a standard 4 bolt if desired. It is recommended to start at a 4.125" bore on most builds planning on any sort of power adder to aid in sealing, sleeve thickness and the ability to rebuild if needed.
04-05-2015 | 09:37 AM
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04-05-2015 | 05:50 PM
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They aren't the cheapest but they also are not the most expensive. I researched about every major option out there and settled on ERL. Great reputation. Great options. Reasonable price. Went with the 427 to give me plenty room for growth/rebuild. Cylinder sealing should not be a concern either.
04-07-2015 | 08:17 PM
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Its not cheap by far and if you're an LS1, or 6 going to a Gen 4 its about $500 in extra parts and harness's.
You'll have about $11K in the ERL bottom end and a decent set of heads assuming you have a core block to send ERL.
Cam and other hard parts like front and rear engine cover, valley cover, water pump, sensors ect will cost you another $1500-2000 then there's install labor.
You'll have about $11K in the ERL bottom end and a decent set of heads assuming you have a core block to send ERL.
Cam and other hard parts like front and rear engine cover, valley cover, water pump, sensors ect will cost you another $1500-2000 then there's install labor.
04-13-2015 | 08:06 PM
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so what hp has been seen with this setup N/A max effort
i have a sleeved ls2 427 that made great power, im considering going through this process to get to at least a 440 ci or higher cube for a N/A setup.
just wondering if its worth the money.
i dont want power adders
i have a sleeved ls2 427 that made great power, im considering going through this process to get to at least a 440 ci or higher cube for a N/A setup.
just wondering if its worth the money.
i dont want power adders
04-14-2015 | 08:43 AM
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Its not cheap by far and if you're an LS1, or 6 going to a Gen 4 its about $500 in extra parts and harness's.
You'll have about $11K in the ERL bottom end and a decent set of heads assuming you have a core block to send ERL.
Cam and other hard parts like front and rear engine cover, valley cover, water pump, sensors ect will cost you another $1500-2000 then there's install labor.
You'll have about $11K in the ERL bottom end and a decent set of heads assuming you have a core block to send ERL.
Cam and other hard parts like front and rear engine cover, valley cover, water pump, sensors ect will cost you another $1500-2000 then there's install labor.
I would reuse my stock LS1 accessories and heads for a year to get heads with the following year income tax return.
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06-25-2015 | 09:24 PM
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So, ERL Superdeck I vs dry sleeved shortblock....
From what I am seeing, the Superdeck I comes with Billet main caps and ARP main studs (which I would get on the "non-Superdeck" block)..
Is there any reason to NOT go with the Superdeck I block?
- 99% chance of no boost or N02
- street car, drag strip 3-4 times a year
- 345/xx/19 tires on the back (hopefully)
From what I am seeing, the Superdeck I comes with Billet main caps and ARP main studs (which I would get on the "non-Superdeck" block)..
Is there any reason to NOT go with the Superdeck I block?
- 99% chance of no boost or N02
- street car, drag strip 3-4 times a year
- 345/xx/19 tires on the back (hopefully)
06-27-2015 | 12:30 AM
#57
So, ERL Superdeck I vs dry sleeved shortblock....
From what I am seeing, the Superdeck I comes with Billet main caps and ARP main studs (which I would get on the "non-Superdeck" block)..
Is there any reason to NOT go with the Superdeck I block?
- 99% chance of no boost or N02
- street car, drag strip 3-4 times a year
- 345/xx/19 tires on the back (hopefully)
From what I am seeing, the Superdeck I comes with Billet main caps and ARP main studs (which I would get on the "non-Superdeck" block)..
Is there any reason to NOT go with the Superdeck I block?
- 99% chance of no boost or N02
- street car, drag strip 3-4 times a year
- 345/xx/19 tires on the back (hopefully)
ERL has been great to work with before and after the sale. Also, if you can, try to find a commercial address to use for receiving your block back from them. I used a small Mom & Pop shipping place close to my house. Saved me a couple hundred bucks in shipping commercial over having it shipped to my house.