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Old 07-23-2015, 01:21 PM
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Still yet, those heads come standard with 64cc chambers where as our AsCast and 227's come with 62cc. You can mill ours down much further than those. Also every one of our AsCast heads already come with hand blended bowls out of the box. Not to mention our heads feature much higher quality bronze guides than TF or AFR offer therefore stock rockers can still be retained. We see more wear in powdered metal guides than our bronze. You can't say the same for the other brands. Roller rockers is a cost that you need to figure in as well unless you switch to their powdered steel guides at an additional cost. I'd put our heads, out of the box, up against anyone else's as cast head with "work/touches" done any day of the week.

To answer the O.P.'s original question. You wouldn't be leaving anything behind using our 227's over the TF 225's. In fact our 227's out perform the 225's. If budget is your concern go straight to the PRC AsCast. Give us a call. We would be happy to help.

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i have been comparing these heads for a while and results for the price seem to point towards the PRC
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Originally Posted by Sales3@Texas-Speed
Not to mention our heads feature much higher quality bronze guides than TF or AFR offer therefore stock rockers can still be retained. We see more wear in powdered metal guides than our bronze. You can't say the same for the other brands. Roller rockers is a cost that you need to figure in as well unless you switch to their powdered steel guides at an additional cost. I'd put our heads, out of the box, up against anyone else's as cast head with "work/touches" done any day of the week.
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Have you tested the TFS powdered metal guides? Or are you referencing your own "PM" guides?

All of the heads I sell come with genuine OEM quality powdered metal guides so stock rockers can be used without guide wear, I don't think anyone else in the aftermarket can say the same.

Your sales pitch seems aggressive, maybe you should familiarize yourself more with exactly what we're shipping before you launch a challenge. However if you feel that confident I'll be glad to accept.
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
Have you tested the TFS powdered metal guides? Or are you referencing your own "PM" guides?

All of the heads I sell come with genuine OEM quality powdered metal guides so stock rockers can be used without guide wear, I don't think anyone else in the aftermarket can say the same.

Your sales pitch seems aggressive, maybe you should familiarize yourself more with exactly what we're shipping before you launch a challenge. However if you feel that confident I'll be glad to accept.
I said Powdered metal guides (our guides) and stated that they will have to run roller rockers unless they switch to powdered steel guides from TF or AFR. Bronze vs bronze ours is of a higher quality and do not wear like the others. Powdered guides vs powdered guides the OEM quality ones are better. Sorry if there was confusion in my post.
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Originally Posted by Sales3@Texas-Speed
Powdered guides vs powdered guides the OEM quality ones are better.
The TFS guides are made by the same manufacturer who makes the GM guides.
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yes, I'm aware but they are a cost upgrade the last time I looked.

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I'll tell you what I'll do for you...

I think the best way to solve this is to test side-by-side. Your welcome to buy the PRC 227 heads & if they don't outpower the others your looking at just send them back for a refund. As long as the others are willing to do the same you'll end up with the best head for you. I'm 10,000% confident you'll love the PRC heads over the TFS or AFR side by side.
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Where is Lou Gigliotti these days. This sounds like his kind of challenge.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Where is Lou Gigliotti these days. This sounds like his kind of challenge.
No, we need Tony Mamo in here, it would be like the good ole days... lol
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It's not a challenge if someone isn't running over railroad ties tho...
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I was surprised when the HOT ROD cathedral port head test was published. PRCs 237 hung with the TF 235s. I always thought the TFS 235 were the "gold stanard"
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TEA Stage 2s also hung with TFS 235s. And AFR 245s. Maybe it needed more cam or something. Or a different intake. But the results were strangely homogenous.
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FAST INTAKE = HOMOGENIZER in those tests!
LLSR and Intake for 7500 RPM would spread out those results.
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I am tempted to do this test ^^^.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
I am tempted to do this test ^^^.
Changing Intake, or Changing Heads?
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
Changing Intake, or Changing Heads?
Running some of the different top heads with a single plane intake and a 7000+ RPM Cam Motion LLR.
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I was going to say. I'm in the process of buying **** for a 418 solid roller. I could do this. But I'll homogenize the results with a ported FAST.

But 12:1 CR, 252/260 LLSR... It would show any separation if there is any to be had. I'll even throw my TEA heads up...
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I have a ported Victor Jr and a box stock Super Victor for cathedral heads, but they are carbureted manifolds.


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