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Old May 2, 2016 | 10:42 AM
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I am getting read to order my bottom end and I just need help deciding on pistons. It will have a comp star crank and rod combo. Stock 243 heads stage 1 from frankenstein. The car will be a daily and may see the track here and there with a little spray maybe.

Would the flat tops be the best? I was looking a diamond -2cc flat tops or -10cc dish.
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Would the flat tops be the best? I was looking a diamond -2cc flat tops or -10cc dish.
Can't answer that question without knowing more details about the heads, gaskets, cam, type of fuel you plan on using
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Stock chamber head 64cc I believe. I was looking at the MLS gasket. I have no spec'd a cam yet for it. It will run pump 93
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Flat tops... Dish for Boosted Applications
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Thanks!
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Flat tops... Dish for Boosted Applications
It is not that simple!

In a 402 with a 64cc chamber, a 2cc flat top could end up with 11.9:1. That's REALLY pushing it with pump gasoline. If I ran flat tops in my 440 with 59cc chambers, I would need race fuel or ethanol with 13.5:1 compression.

OP, use a online calculator to figure out what compression you will end up with for you combination. I like to use This one.
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It is not that simple!

In a 402 with a 64cc chamber, a 2cc flat top could end up with 11.9:1. That's REALLY pushing it with pump gasoline. If I ran flat tops in my 440 with 59cc chambers, I would need race fuel or ethanol with 13.5:1 compression.

OP, use a online calculator to figure out what compression you will end up with for you combination. I like to use This one.
Thanks for the info Im looking at it now. So what is a safe number on pump? closer to 11?

Please excuse my ignorance first motor build trying to get it all worked out right
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Thanks for the info Im looking at it now. So what is a safe number on pump? closer to 11?

Please excuse my ignorance first motor build trying to get it all worked out right
Approx. 11:1 compression is plenty safe for 91 or 93 octane. A 4" stroke 402ci LS2 with 64cc combustion chambers will need a 8cc to 10cc dished piston to keep compression close to 11.0-11.2:1 using a 0.040 thick head gasket.

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Thanks for the info Im looking at it now. So what is a safe number on pump? closer to 11?

Please excuse my ignorance first motor build trying to get it all worked out right
Yeah, 11:1 to 11.5:1 is pretty safe. If you plan on doing some long runs, like at a Mile event or similar top speed type racing, I would suggest closer to 11:1.

There are guys that will tell you you can go higher, and you can, but it's usually not worth the trouble. When you get close to 12:1, the potential gains from the increased compression are often negated by how much ignition timing you have to take out of it to keep it from detonating.
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
Approx. 11:1 compression is plenty safe for 91 or 93 octane. A 4" stroke 402ci LS2 with 64cc combustion chambers will need a 8cc to 10cc dished piston to keep compression close to 11.0-11.2:1 using a 0.040 thick head gasket.
Thank you for the help. It has made this much easier as I do more research.

What would the bore size for the gasket be?
4.040?
4.02?
4.03?
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Yeah, 11:1 to 11.5:1 is pretty safe. If you plan on doing some long runs, like at a Mile event or similar top speed type racing, I would suggest closer to 11:1.

There are guys that will tell you you can go higher, and you can, but it's usually not worth the trouble. When you get close to 12:1, the potential gains from the increased compression are often negated by how much ignition timing you have to take out of it to keep it from detonating.
I understand. I don't think it would as much as Id love to see the mile.
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Originally Posted by blackz151
Thank you for the help. It has made this much easier as I do more research.

What would the bore size for the gasket be?
4.040?
4.02?
4.03?
Depends on the chamber of the heads. If it is a stock chamber 243, most likely the 4.020 will work.
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Originally Posted by Quick Ranger
Depends on the chamber of the heads. If it is a stock chamber 243, most likely the 4.020 will work.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Quick Ranger
Depends on the chamber of the heads. If it is a stock chamber 243, most likely the 4.020 will work.
I agree. Stock chamber 243 heads and typical 4.005" 403ci bore (commonly called 402ci), 4.020" gasket is ideal.
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Originally Posted by R6cowboy
I agree. Stock chamber 243 heads and typical 4.005" 403ci bore (commonly called 402ci), 4.020" gasket is ideal.
Thank You thanks for all the help so I can understand all this.
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