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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 12:37 PM
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Default LQ4 with 5463 Heads/LS3 Intake......

Not sure if I should be asking these questions, and starting the Big Debate, Rectangle vs Cathedral Head. So, figured with the other thread being active I would this question out again, like the other 100 plus threads, but different. This will be a future Budget build, just a DD, weekend thrill seeker. Ported Heads, Aftermarket Heads are Not an Option!!! I'm the type of person who likes using/improving what the factory gave us, for the most part.
Will LS7 lifters and Pac 1218 springs survive, and what cam specs should used? Should flat top pistons be used, or will make that much of a difference?

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Old Oct 26, 2018 | 02:57 PM
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If the 5463 head is a rectangular port head, the LS3 manifold will fit. Why ask if 1218 springs and LS7 lifters will survive if you haven't told us which cam would be working with them? You are putting the cart before the horse.
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I'm unsure about the cam, I really dont want the quick opening/closing profile donkey dick cam, duration I'm thinking a 224/232 roughly, nothing over .600". I still need to concerned with fuel mileage, but I want something that takes advantage of the increased flow of the rectangle port heads. I basically want my cake and eat it too. As for now the trans will be manual, but an auto will be put in at some point, weight of vehicle will be about 3200/3400lbs.

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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 12:33 AM
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If you are worried about a ragged-opening and closing cam, check with Cam Motion and Texas Speed and Performance. Their cams are designed right. TSP has ground their own for a while now, having switched from having Comp grinding theirs. Supposedly their quality has jumped up since doing this. Both companies will grind you a good cam. For what it looks like you want, LS7 lifters and 1218 springs should do the job nicely.
In fact for a nice-running cam that sounds good and still delivers decent low end performance, check into the WS6store High-Lift Hot Cam. They took the GM Hot Cam design which has a lift of only .525, and came up with a smoother-operating cam with more performance and a lift of a hair under .600. Your LQ4 will love it.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 10:49 AM
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If you are worried about a ragged-opening and closing cam, check with Cam Motion and Texas Speed and Performance. Their cams are designed right. TSP has ground their own for a while now, having switched from having Comp grinding theirs. Supposedly their quality has jumped up since doing this. Both companies will grind you a good cam. For what it looks like you want, LS7 lifters and 1218 springs should do the job nicely.
In fact for a nice-running cam that sounds good and still delivers decent low end performance, check into the WS6store High-Lift Hot Cam. They took the GM Hot Cam design which has a lift of only .525, and came up with a smoother-operating cam with more performance and a lift of a hair under .600. Your LQ4 will love it.
Cam Motion and TSP will both grind you a “ragged-opening and closing cam” if you want. It all depends on the lobe profile. Duration and lift numbers are only part of the equation. My custom Comp Cam, spec’ed by Tony Mamo is a 254/268 duration, 72x lift solid roller, but if you don’t know Tony’s lobe profiles, which he helped Comp create, there’s no way to duplicate what I have. Tony doesn’t mind me sharing numbers, but the lobe family is the secret.
Also the ASA high lift cam i just installed in a 6liter build was .600” lift on both sides.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 11:21 AM
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I had heard that TSP's and Cam Motion's cams are smoother than comparable-spec cams from Comp. Just a more modern lobe design, I would guess.
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Old Oct 27, 2018 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
I had heard that TSP's and Cam Motion's cams are smoother than comparable-spec cams from Comp. Just a more modern lobe design, I would guess.
That's the Internet spreading bad info right there.....no offense to you....just calling it like I see it as I have seen numerous threads stating similar.

Comp has literally hundreds of lobes to choose from (maybe in the four digits in fact). The level of aggressiveness purely up to the lobes the guy designing the cam chooses to select (and I work directly with their head designer at times creating lobes.....sometimes just slowing down an existing family of lobes and reducing lift or just the opposite....sky is the limit).

Not to mention with the right springs and lightweight parts, aggressive lobes make more power and exhibit excellent control but its always about the set up and the application.

Check out the depth and variety of what Comp offers in the latest Comp Master lobe list (its only a Google away).....these are just the lobes that are listed....there are other lobes that they offer that aren't even in the catalog

Comp is a giant....50 ish years in business and they have a much larger R&D budget....also they have been doing spintron testing alot longer than most

Anyway....I have read similar comments about Comp and I usually just chuckle to myself and click to the next thread or tab on my computer to keep working.....decided to drop in and shed some new light on this subject this time

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Well, there ya go... more internet wisdom flushed down the ol' commode...
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What are 5463 heads?
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 05:41 AM
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Sorry, they are 5364 heads, I think they are early rectangle port heads.

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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 05:43 AM
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And, I bought those heads with intake rockers, and a LS3 bare intake cheaper then buying an LS6 intake, go figure.

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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Stampede4ever
Not sure if I should be asking these questions, and starting the Big Debate, Rectangle vs Cathedral Head. So, figured with the other thread being active I would this question out again, like the other 100 plus threads, but different. This will be a future Budget build, just a DD, weekend thrill seeker. Ported Heads, Aftermarket Heads are Not an Option!!! I'm the type of person who likes using/improving what the factory gave us, for the most part.
Will LS7 lifters and Pac 1218 springs survive, and what cam specs should used? Should flat top pistons be used, or will make that much of a difference?

Thanks.
Originally Posted by Stampede4ever
I'm unsure about the cam, I really dont want the quick opening/closing profile donkey dick cam, duration I'm thinking a 224/232 roughly, nothing over .600". I still need to concerned with fuel mileage, but I want something that takes advantage of the increased flow of the rectangle port heads. I basically want my cake and eat it too. As for now the trans will be manual, but an auto will be put in at some point, weight of vehicle will be about 3200/3400lbs.

thanks.
Originally Posted by Stampede4ever
Sorry, they are 5364 heads, I think they are early rectangle port heads.

Stampede.
Originally Posted by Stampede4ever
And, I bought those heads with intake rockers, and a LS3 bare intake cheaper then buying an LS6 intake, go figure.

Stampede.
Hello Stampede,

It would be my privilege to help you get the perfect camshaft for your project. I will make sure that you get the right cam specs, lobes and supporting parts to assure your build is a success. Just drop me an email: Steven at CamMotion.com with all the details of your build, desired driving characteristics and performance goals. I will put you together a recommendation and a quote.

~Steven
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Old Oct 29, 2018 | 12:53 PM
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I’ve had my Cam Motion grind over 8000 rpm many times and it’s smooth as silk
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 08:29 PM
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What is the missing link here, the RPM?

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