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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 09:41 AM
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Comp cams ultra pro adjustable or non adjustable under $500. They now have the ultra pro XD version...they sell what was done...larger stud version

Non beats that ..ftw!

Forgot, custom pushrod guide plates are needed with the larger stud. ....welder up.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Aluminum bodied rocker arms are for hydraulic lite weight stuff. Which one is stronger aluminum or steel. I don't count rocker arm weight. Think about that 1 for a second? Nor pushrods? Y? What are we trying to control... Lose weight there. Springs, retainers, valves,keepers, etc.....
Not exactly true. I have Jesel aluminum body shaft rockers on my SBC that has 800 lbs. open pressure and turns 8500 RPM. These rockers were new with the heads when installed on a NASCAR Busch engine in 1996ish by Petty Enterprises. I have owned them since 2004 and have made around 400 passes since without issue.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 01:52 PM
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This maybe true Cole.....but seen more aluminum rocker breakage or failures. Most tend to go for steel in the hi hp and keep it simple theme...Jesel is another league in valve train. Crower steel shaft mounted LS7 rocker arms for my other head....or just stud it and repeat like the Ls3 heads..this time no guide plates.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 06:31 PM
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No, most go aluminum.

It acts as a shock absorber for a really nasty solid roller setup. Plus, race parts get replaced more often. Lasting 100k miles is the last thing a race team cares about. Weight. Shock. That matters.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 07:54 PM
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That must be with a ls .....if you go to any other forum most tend to say STEEL for the Avg hi hp build...BBC, SBC, SBF, BBF, Dodge etc. Most hi end exotic builds use aluminum as well as some avg builds. Steel don't move.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 07:56 PM
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When I asked what rockers are recommended, Crower Steel $haft rockers vs the cost of Jesel.

This or I ain't no hi end race team with $ to blow with up keep. 1 guy & the Last thing I'm worrying about is rockers....Springs and interval oil changes is more burden some.

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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 08:26 PM
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Simple question...simple answer.
Google: broken rocker

What comes up most often? Aluminum or Steel bodied rocker arms.

I understand what's being said....Still prefer steel.
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Old Aug 6, 2019 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
Nah the tsps are much lighter. Those comps are heavy. If you want to save cash get the ws6store max effort stock rockers.
Oh, you know what the weight is? Do tell, Comp claims they’re light over the nose.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 06:32 AM
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The trend now seems to be steel rockers, and weight on the valve side is still a concern.

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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KCS
The trend now seems to be steel rockers, and weight on the valve side is still a concern.

I’ve talked with several builders I know in the business including Dr. Mamo about running the Jesel Mohawks. These guys are nose heavy. They are a lightweight purpose built endurance rocker, but have more nose weight than my YT’s, which would require more valvespring, which is counter productive in making power in a max effort engine, which endurance engines are not. The absolute finest rocker system on the market today, nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
I’ve talked with several builders I know in the business including Dr. Mamo about running the Jesel Mohawks. These guys are nose heavy. They are a lightweight purpose built endurance rocker, but have more nose weight than my YT’s, which would require more valvespring, which is counter productive in making power in a max effort engine, which endurance engines are not. The absolute finest rocker system on the market today, nonetheless.
To be clear, those rockers are Jesel’s Pro Steel series, not Mohawks. The last NHRA event I went to, that rocker was on every single Pro Stock car there. I think they have found it better to add a little bit of weight to gain much more stiffness in the rocker.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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Old news....basic metal chart. Steel doesn't move as much. Good with heat, wouldn't think of using aluminum with anything where stress is involved. Rods neither... Maintenance is more frequent dealing with aluminum.

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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokey B
Old news....basic metal chart. Steel doesn't move as much. Good with heat, wouldn't think of using aluminum with anything where stress is involved. Rods neither... Maintenance is more frequent dealing with aluminum.
Not quite accurate
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
TSP has a OEM type of rocker but with a roller tip. They offer them with bearing or bushing trunion. They look pretty trick. Not sure of the weight over the valve though.
The TSPs are steel 1.72 ratio, full rollers with CHE trunion upgrade. Very nice.....needed them because I have TSPs, PRC Heads, and those heads only take OEM rockers and TSPs roller rockers.

BTW.....they're not much lighter than the Comp Ultra Pro-Mags (1.8 ratio) that I've also had, but they are lighter.

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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KCS
.......I think they have found it better to add a little bit of weight to gain much more stiffness in the rocker.
Absolutely!

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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 01:25 PM
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Interesting. I wonder if the aluminum rocker arm will become obsolete as better steel rockers become more available.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by psicko
Interesting. I wonder if the aluminum rocker arm will become obsolete as better steel rockers become more available.
I've heard people ask this since the 1990's.....it ain't happened yet. People always gonna want, and will take their chances with lighter/cheaper.

I just know that I wouldn't run aluminum.....been there, done (with) that!

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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 03:18 PM
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You get it.... aluminum can't take stress as well as steel.

KW one thing...the option for being adjustable with comp cams rocker under 500 bucks. Will work with smaller solid rollers. Bigger stud mod for larger lifts.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 03:22 PM
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I like the 10mm rocker bolt upgrade myself.
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Old Aug 7, 2019 | 03:49 PM
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TSP advertises an extra 8 grams over the nose weight vs a stock rocker on there steel roller rocker. I just bought a set for my ls3 260 heads
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