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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 98_WS6_M6
You'll be fine Darth. I talked to the owner of RPS and Carolina Clutches when I sent mine in to have it looked over. They said the twin disc was fine for the power level. He did recommend a triple for me if I'm going to hit it with a 250 shot of nitrous, just for the initial shock of the nitrous. Either way they can upgrade it if you want to later.
Is this RPS clutches adjustable ?,
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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 08:34 PM
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No the clutch is not adjustable but since it does not wear - at least for me - it does not need to be. It works with the stock master and slave.
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Old Jul 20, 2020 | 08:47 PM
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RPS for the win!
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 10:40 AM
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Are you guys all running the Rps billet twin or does anyone run the street twin?
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Old Jul 22, 2020 | 09:10 PM
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I run the billet twin. Flywheel was lightened around the perimeter. My stock hrb came out in pieces on tear down. Idk why. Probably lucky it was even working. So I be making a switch to Tilton hrb. Old and busted vs new hotness:

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I will be moving the remote bleeder over to the Tilton. While waiting on rods, I will mock up the clutch to get the dimensions and set the gap.
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 09:55 AM
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My pushrods arrived from Manton-Claus! So, I should have a nice, busy weekend! I'll be on a full court blitz to address little odd and end bullshit on the car itself while everything is easy to access. It's just so the nice to finally see light at the end of the tunnel that ISN'T an oncoming train...
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 11:07 AM
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Turning money into noise! Get her done!
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
Turning money into noise! Get her done!
LOL!!! boy isn't that ever the truth!!
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 11:58 AM
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Good to see.
Remember take your time and make sure pushrod is in the cup!
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 02:30 PM
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When you dyno this thing would you be down to do a pull with the Holley sniper low pro also? On the last motor you felt underwhelmed in the long run, but then you found it may have been in process of hurting itself.

I have no real backup plan if the Holley doesn't do what I want it to. I keep looking at the FED low pro, but I can't imagine spending $4000 on an intake that doesn't make its own atmosphere. The FED would stick through my hood, but that is one intake I'd be ok with showing off a little lol.
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bortous
Good to see.
Remember take your time and make sure pushrod is in the cup!
ouch LOL. STOP reminding him. LOL
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
When you dyno this thing would you be down to do a pull with the Holley sniper low pro also? On the last motor you felt underwhelmed in the long run, but then you found it may have been in process of hurting itself.

I have no real backup plan if the Holley doesn't do what I want it to. I keep looking at the FED low pro, but I can't imagine spending $4000 on an intake that doesn't make its own atmosphere. The FED would stick through my hood, but that is one intake I'd be ok with showing off a little lol.
I'd consider it. I'm not too keen on it, mainly because I've been down so long and I really want to enjoy the car. But you are correct. It was not really fair to the intake given what the motor looked like on tear down. But if I get bored and decide to see what it does, I might.

I remember the infamous Josh B thread over on covfefe forum, and it seemed every time he "upgraded" from the MSD, it just got worse. Then, I see the mamofied MSD running with the big dogs up to a point in the FNBDAZ build. i think if I did anything I'd jump to a CID intake and take advantage of the earth's plenum, lol.
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
ouch LOL. STOP reminding him. LOL
LOL, its so etched in my brain, I'm far more nervouser than usual for start up. I just got the valvetrain set up and the lash set. Everything is a half thou lash at ambient. I can wiggle the rocker but cannot get a .001 feeler gauge at the rocker tip. I'll post pics later. Trying to get **** done right now
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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
I'd consider it. I'm not too keen on it, mainly because I've been down so long and I really want to enjoy the car. But you are correct. It was not really fair to the intake given what the motor looked like on tear down. But if I get bored and decide to see what it does, I might.

I remember the infamous Josh B thread over on covfefe forum, and it seemed every time he "upgraded" from the MSD, it just got worse. Then, I see the mamofied MSD running with the big dogs up to a point in the FNBDAZ build. i think if I did anything I'd jump to a CID intake and take advantage of the earth's plenum, lol.
Yeah that's fair I don't expect the Holley to hold a candle to the MSD until 6500 rpm and at that point gains would be questionable.
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 02:44 AM
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I also think there is stuff all difference between the MSD and Holley.
I think the Holley will lose out in hp and torque right throughout the range.
Maybe at the very top it may go slightly ahead but the difference will be small.
I remember that Josh B thread and the issues he had.
However in his new build it was discovered that the engine had a spun bearing or two so my assumption is that he never had valve float to begin with.
Do you guys know if a spun bearing would interfere with the power curve and low power figure?



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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 04:17 AM
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He never had float. The dyno curve showed that. He had a great combo and every time he tried to improve it, it backfired. I had never heard he had a spun bearing. It would make sense.
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
Yeah that's fair I don't expect the Holley to hold a candle to the MSD until 6500 rpm and at that point gains would be questionable.
My original results from my Mamo MSD to Hi Ram swap were pretty close. Close enough that I did not feel a difference on the street. A shorter runner may lose a touch more in the low/mid range but make more up top. Would just depend on how the car is used.

Solid line is the Hi Ram
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
He never had float. The dyno curve showed that. He had a great combo and every time he tried to improve it, it backfired. I had never heard he had a spun bearing. It would make sense.
He only discovered it recently. When he first pulled off the MMS 260 TFS heads, he saw that there were imprints of the casting numbers of the pistons in the chambers of the heads. This was already after his countless attempts to change the setup from the original 700whp setup. So it was pretty likely that the damage was already being done and that's what we were seeing in his results.

A good friend of mine lost 50hp form one pull to the next because bad bearings.
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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
He never had float. The dyno curve showed that. He had a great combo and every time he tried to improve it, it backfired. I had never heard he had a spun bearing. It would make sense.
The bearing issue was discovered in the newer thread.

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Old Jul 25, 2020 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jayyyw
He only discovered it recently. When he first pulled off the MMS 260 TFS heads, he saw that there were imprints of the casting numbers of the pistons in the chambers of the heads. This was already after his countless attempts to change the setup from the original 700whp setup. So it was pretty likely that the damage was already being done and that's what we were seeing in his results.

A good friend of mine lost 50hp form one pull to the next because bad bearings.
So that means that there was nothing wrong with those Yella Terra rockers or the springs in the first place?
The other shops that were saying it was the rockers etc, lead him on the wrong path which made him believe that was the issue when it wasn't...
If that was me I would be pissed. To have gotten rid of a great top end and spent all that $ for another expensive top end when it wasn't needed....
It was also noted that the engine was being taken to 7800rpm's which may have been the cause or maybe it was the way the engine was built.
7800rpm in a 454 has piston speed higher than an F1 car.

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