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Old May 24, 2020 | 09:37 PM
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To start with, I’m very familiar with old SBC, but I’m new to the LS world. I’m hoping you guys can offer some advice. I’ve got an 06 Envoy Denali with an LH6 5.3 that threw a rod. I picked up an 08 LH6 out of an Envoy Denali to replace it. I’d like to bump the hp 75-100 hp. The vehicle will be a daily driver and I’m somewhat on a budget. I looking for a recommended cam. Also, should I delete the AFM? Can anyone recommend a tuner service to whom I can send the ecm? I have the ECM from the 08. TIA for the help!
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There's one glitch with replacing an 06 LH6 with an 08 LH6. The 06 has the 24x crank reluctor, sensor and ECM, while the 08 has the 58x system. They are 2 different ECM's with 2 different crank reluctors. You can't just drop one engine in place of the other, it's not plug and play.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
There's one glitch with replacing an 06 LH6 with an 08 LH6. The 06 has the 24x crank reluctor, sensor and ECM, while the 08 has the 58x system. They are 2 different ECM's with 2 different crank reluctors. You can't just drop one engine in place of the other, it's not plug and play.
G, I think all the LH6 engines were Gen4. I could be wrong, but I don’t think GM took a RPO from one gen to the next. That would get very confusing, very fast if they did stuff like that.

Edit...it’s a crossover engine. I’m wrong.
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Old May 25, 2020 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
There's one glitch with replacing an 06 LH6 with an 08 LH6. The 06 has the 24x crank reluctor, sensor and ECM, while the 08 has the 58x system. They are 2 different ECM's with 2 different crank reluctors. You can't just drop one engine in place of the other, it's not plug and play.
Yes, I have read about the difference. I have the wiring harness and ECM from the 08. I’m assuming I’ll be ok?
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G, I think all the LH6 engines were Gen4. I could be wrong, but I don’t think GM took a RPO from one gen to the next. That would get very confusing, very fast if they did stuff like that.

Edit...it’s a crossover engine. I’m wrong.

Yep, by the way things "should" be. My 05 LH6 is a bastard lol. I thought I had an L33 until I realized it had 799 heads, front cover mounted crank sensor, and 24x.
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Originally Posted by OldSchool67
Yes, I have read about the difference. I have the wiring harness and ECM from the 08. I’m assuming I’ll be ok?
That being the case, I THINK you should be OK then. You're not as much a newb as you say you are! You're up on things!
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
G, I think all the LH6 engines were Gen4. I could be wrong, but I don’t think GM took a RPO from one gen to the next. That would get very confusing, very fast if they did stuff like that.

Edit...it’s a crossover engine. I’m wrong.
Ah, you caught it. I used the Summit database as my info source. But it's not faultless! lol
05-06 are 24x, 07-09 are 58x, according to the above source
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Ah, you caught it. I used the Summit database as my info source. But it's not faultless! lol
05-06 are 24x, 07-09 are 58x, according to the above source

I dont know how 100% correct it is, but I was told black crank sensor = 24x, gray = 58x.
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That being the case, I THINK you should be OK then. You're not as much a newb as you say you are! You're up on things!
Thanks! Back to my original questions. Should I delete the AFM and what cam would give my ~75 more hp? Any suggestions for tuning?
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Originally Posted by OldSchool67
Thanks! Back to my original questions. Should I delete the AFM and what cam would give my ~75 more hp? Any suggestions for tuning?

In my personal opinion, delete the AFM. Summit has a nice line of off the shelf LS cams and are pretty knowledgeable about helping you decide which one to go with based off your needs. IIRC the 06/07 Envoy denalis had the E40 PCM which seems to be one of the preferred options for tuning.
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Originally Posted by AnnivSS
I thought I had an L33 until I realized it had 799 heads, front cover mounted crank sensor, and 24x.
The only one of those that isn't a feature of the L33 is the cover mounted sensor.

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Thanks! Back to my original questions. Should I delete the AFM and what cam would give my ~75 more hp? Any suggestions for tuning?
Definitely delete the AFM.
Getting 75 horsepower isn't a big deal with just a cam, but you have to realize that it isn't going to idle the same or get the same fuel economy.
There have been probably 100+ dyno comparisons for cams in a 5.3, it should be fairly easy to find them.
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Originally Posted by AwesomeAuto
The only one of those that isn't a feature of the L33 is the cover mounted sensor.



Definitely delete the AFM.
Getting 75 horsepower isn't a big deal with just a cam, but you have to realize that it isn't going to idle the same or get the same fuel economy.
There have been probably 100+ dyno comparisons for cams in a 5.3, it should be fairly easy to find them.
Thanks for the advice. I don’t care a whole lot about fuel economy or I wouldn’t do this. Lol. And a lopey idle is music to my ears!
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Thanks for the advice. I don’t care a whole lot about fuel economy or I wouldn’t do this. Lol. And a lopey idle is music to my ears!
Google "5.3 cam comparison". You'll find tons of articles and tests. You should be able to spot the ballpark cam specs you need to get the gains you want, then you can shop around.
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The only one of those that isn't a feature of the L33 is the cover mounted sensor.
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According to summits LS identification tool, the L33 shouldn't have 799 heads. Is it mistaken? I keep finding conflicting information. My engine came out of a 2005 GMC Envoy Denali 2wd standard wheelbase. Which by everything GM says it should be an L33.
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799 and 243 are the same except for casting method, but I think you're right. I doubt 799's came out before Gen IV engines did. I would bet they came out because that type (243/799) of head would be used on every 4.8/5.3 Gen IV made, so more mfg. volume was needed. Hence the 799.
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According to summits LS identification tool, the L33 shouldn't have 799 heads. Is it mistaken? I keep finding conflicting information. My engine came out of a 2005 GMC Envoy Denali 2wd standard wheelbase. Which by everything GM says it should be an L33.
I have an L33. It has 799 heads on it.
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
I have an L33. It has 799 heads on it.
I guess they came out earlier than I thought! lol
Great! They're good heads!
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
I have an L33. It has 799 heads on it.


So summits identification guide is mistaken then. Good deal.
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