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Old Sep 1, 2021 | 07:15 PM
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I recently noticed that, after having my block bored, there are scratches on the bearing saddles of my number one and five main caps (which would have been used to fixture the block to have it bored)





There are also some slight scratches on the block at the rearmost main saddle.




The machine shop says this is nothing to worry about, and that they can just be sanded down. However, these scratches on the main caps are directly in line with the cylinders. In other words, they are the spots that will receive the blunt of the blow when the cylinders fire. This is probably not the best place to have a low spot (ie a void) under your mains. Should I take my block to a different shop and have it align bored to correct this (which would also allow me to run ARP main studs!)?

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Old Sep 1, 2021 | 08:12 PM
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Polish them out with some emery cloth. As long as the bearings seat in them you will be fine. Align boring or honing .not necessary or even desired
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Old Sep 2, 2021 | 10:30 AM
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I would lightly wet sand those with fine emery or 600 wet dry using WD40 or similar snd see what you think.

If not happy, a very light line hone would not hurt.

I’ve noted that shops are not careful enough with alum blocks. It’s very easy to scratch the machined surfaces.
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Originally Posted by RonSSNova
I would lightly wet sand those with fine emery or 600 wet dry using WD40 or similar snd see what you think.

If not happy, a very light line hone would not hurt.

I’ve noted that shops are not careful enough with alum blocks. It’s very easy to scratch the machined surfaces.
I can't agree more about the mishandling of aluminum blocks, or heads! I cut my teeth on Japanese motorcycle engines, which were all aluminum, except crankshafts, rods, cams, etc. So we had to handle things a bit more carefully. Too many guys have been around nothing but iron everything, which is much harder and doesn't scratch nearly as easily. It still makes me cringe when I see someone slide an aluminum head across a steel workbench!!! But I've seen it happen more often than it should!
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On this same block, the deck plate mating surface is rather banged up from the shop replacing the cam bearings. You would think it wouldn’t be THAT hard to lay down something like a towel or piece of cardboard to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I can understand you or me making a rookie mistake like this from not knowing any better. But come on! These guys have done enough of this stuff that they should know better. Let’s just say that all of this encouraged me to buy a cam bearing tool. It was totally worth it to buy one if it means my block will be beaten up THAT much less.
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Old Mar 28, 2022 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by StorminMatt
On this same block, the deck plate mating surface is rather banged up from the shop replacing the cam bearings. You would think it wouldn’t be THAT hard to lay down something like a towel or piece of cardboard to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I can understand you or me making a rookie mistake like this from not knowing any better. But come on! These guys have done enough of this stuff that they should know better. Let’s just say that all of this encouraged me to buy a cam bearing tool. It was totally worth it to buy one if it means my block will be beaten up THAT much less.
Do they know better? Sure they do. Do they care?
Most machine shop guys get payed by what the book says the job pays. If the cam bearings pay the guy, say $30 for labor, and it takes him 10 minutes…if the bore and hone pays the guy, say $80, and it takes him 3 hours…
The faster he woks, the more he makes. This is why you try to find quality shops, not cheaper shops. I’d gladly pay $300-$500 more at a quality shop that always turns out nice stuff, than having my stuff beat to crap and half way right. It’s always worth it in the end. There are still quality shops out there, ran by the original owners that still care and are very reasonably priced, but it’s hard to find. If the shop tells you that they are 3-5 months behind…there’s a very good reason that they are, and it’s likely because they do fantastic work at a fair price.
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
Do they know better? Sure they do. Do they care?
Most machine shop guys get payed by what the book says the job pays. If the cam bearings pay the guy, say $30 for labor, and it takes him 10 minutes…if the bore and hone pays the guy, say $80, and it takes him 3 hours…
The faster he woks, the more he makes. This is why you try to find quality shops, not cheaper shops. I’d gladly pay $300-$500 more at a quality shop that always turns out nice stuff, than having my stuff beat to crap and half way right. It’s always worth it in the end. There are still quality shops out there, ran by the original owners that still care and are very reasonably priced, but it’s hard to find. If the shop tells you that they are 3-5 months behind…there’s a very good reason that they are, and it’s likely because they do fantastic work at a fair price.
ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and couldn't be said any better by anyone!! The old saying "Cheap work isn't good, and good work isn't cheap", is absolutely true.......
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Originally Posted by grinder11
ABSOLUTE TRUTH, and couldn't be said any better by anyone!! The old saying "Cheap work isn't good, and good work isn't cheap", is absolutely true.......
The problem with going by price is that expensive work isn’t necessarily good work.
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Unfortunately, it appears to me that the most skilled machine shops either aren't taking in work or they aren't advertising.

Case in point- I recently found a master machinist in a rural area 15 miles from me. I've lived here for 45 years.

Case 2- my neighbor, who worked at Unique Motocars as a machinist, re-splined Moser axles that were too long in his home garage.

They are out there. Most don't advertise, because they have plenty of work.
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Originally Posted by StorminMatt
The problem with going by price is that expensive work isn’t necessarily good work.
There are no guarantees in anything, but there's truth in the saying "You get what you pay for." Not always, but more often than not......
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All that makes me cringe,, If I pay for a Al block and head to be machined I expect it to be right..
You will still need to make sure those main bores are round.. ..
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