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Old Dec 16, 2021 | 10:42 AM
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I can't say whether you need loctite on an insert, but my guess is you are right. However, no loctite is needed on a helicoil.......
I only use helicons in stuff thats relatively low torque, seldom had to use one, almost always on something someone else gomered up..
Since the helical is basically a spring, it is flexible,, so I always went thread insert or size up a hole if its in a safe position..
Sleeve Lock - (Green Locktight) usually means it will not come out without a torch or drill.. Which is what I'm usually going for with one.. "If your gonna do it, over do it..."
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I only use helicons in stuff thats relatively low torque, seldom had to use one, almost always on something someone else gomered up..
Since the helical is basically a spring, it is flexible,, so I always went thread insert or size up a hole if its in a safe position..
Sleeve Lock - (Green Locktight) usually means it will not come out without a torch or drill.. Which is what I'm usually going for with one.. "If your gonna do it, over do it..."
A helicoil may look like a spring before the install, but they're made of stainless steel, and they are mighty strong when installed properly, far stronger than the original thread.......
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by grinder11
A helicoil may look like a spring before the install, but they're made of stainless steel, and they are mighty strong when installed properly, far stronger than the original thread.......
Yep "Properly" is the magic word. We all have our experience with them, My experience is that unless the installer is very detail oriented the reliability is hit and miss,
I also have had the opportunity to stress test them in a lab and a Helicoil is less consistent to resisting being pulled out than the thread inserts. (maybe 5-8%)
Thats where I started using sleeve lock, it brought a Helicoil much closer to the pull out strength of a native hole in a engine block.

Again not an issue if really properly installed, but sooo many folks don't really take the time to do it right..
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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 11:33 AM
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Yep "Properly" is the magic word. We all have our experience with them, My experience is that unless the installer is very detail oriented the reliability is hit and miss,
I also have had the opportunity to stress test them in a lab and a Helicoil is less consistent to resisting being pulled out than the thread inserts. (maybe 5-8%)
Thats where I started using sleeve lock, it brought a Helicoil much closer to the pull out strength of a native hole in a engine block.

Again not an issue if really properly installed, but sooo many folks don't really take the time to do it right..
I can agree with you that many don't install them correctly. As an apprentice Toolmaker, I did have a few problems until I was shown the "correct" method. Once I was a Journeyman, the only problem I ever had again was, once in a great while, I'd get a real "gummy" piece of aluminum, which sometimes didn't work out real well. One key operation I learned was to machine a good sized chamfer around the hole to be repaired. Another was get a good, genuine Heli-Coil brand, NOT a knockoff, which are plentiful. The genuine Heli-Coil brand has a very good installation tool, which is key #2. I had to get good at doing these, because sometimes I'd have to do 40 or more a day in just one large casting! What makes this particular repair more difficult is its recessed way down in the hole of the bellhousing. If the OP is going to repair it with the bellhousing in place, as pictured, then it's going to be much more difficult. Because you'll have to drill a big enough hole in the bellhousing to allow for the tap and insert to pass thru. That's one reason I recommended the Helicoil. An insert may have to have a larger hole in the bellhousing, and the block, as compared to the Helicoil. The OP could always try the Helicoil first, and if it didn't work out, there'd be only a slightly larger hole in everything. He could then go for the insert. He could always visit the local scrap yard, buy a cheap piece of aluminum, and practice doing a few Helicoils and/or inserts. Just my .02..........
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Agree ,, and Sometimes,, you just gotta bite the bullet, I wouldn't even do one with the bell in the way. I'm too picky.
And sometimes the work to slide a trans back to give room in the whole project is less than all the dinking around trying to get it done quicker.. LOL

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Originally Posted by grinder11
A helicoil may look like a spring before the install, but they're made of stainless steel, and they are mighty strong when installed properly, far stronger than the original thread.......
Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead
Agree ,, and Sometimes,, you just gotta bite the bullet, I wouldn't even do one with the bell in the way. I'm too picky.
And sometimes the work to slide a trans back to give room in the whole project is less than all the dinking around trying to get it done quicker.. LOL

Shortcuts.. aren't always shorter
For 1 bellhousing bolt? Fix it when and if the engine came out Many yrs later?
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