ST2126LSR Lifter
Originally Posted by Double06
I think the problem with a BBC is you have the guide plates in the way whereas the LS has no guide plates. The adjuster stop may get in the way. I don't know you might be able to get it in under the guide plates or maybe push a washer under the stud so it simulates a guide plate thickness so you can measure. Plus, the other problem with a BBC is one pushrod is like 8.3 inches and the other is 9.25 inches so you would need to order 2 as there is a 1 inch delta there which not sure how much the tool can have as it appears the range is .400 here but maybe they could do more but the spring thing could be an issue with that much delta.
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we just checked bank 2 it took 5 and half hours to measure, on the first pushrod it took maybe 2 hours to realize that the tick performance is at least 0.00625 longer, we tried 1/16 turn at a time and we got 7.503125 for the exhaust pushrod and 7.50625 for the intake pushrod but when we checked 7.500 tick performance pushrod they had around 1/4 preload and when we went with 7.525 we got 1/2 turn preload.
also, we had inconsistencies when comparing the number of turns on the checker and the number of turns on preload, we saw a 3:00 difference on the same checker length.
6 rocker arms had 2:00 - 4:00 preload with 7.500 pushrods < we may get 7.490 tick performance pushrod to confirm that they all are at or less than 0.035 preload
2 rocker arm was at zero lash with 7.500 pushrods < I think we should order 7.535 instead of 7.525.
using 7.525 pushrods we got the following preload turns
2 exhaust 6:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 6:00 <14 turn and 1/8 using checker
4 exhaust 8:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 8:00
6 exhaust 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
intake 8:00 < 14 turns using checker
8 exhaust 8:00
intake 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
should we leave it at 6:00 and 8:00 or should we buy 7.490 to confirm zero lash and 7.535 for the 2 short ones?
also, we had inconsistencies when comparing the number of turns on the checker and the number of turns on preload, we saw a 3:00 difference on the same checker length.
6 rocker arms had 2:00 - 4:00 preload with 7.500 pushrods < we may get 7.490 tick performance pushrod to confirm that they all are at or less than 0.035 preload
2 rocker arm was at zero lash with 7.500 pushrods < I think we should order 7.535 instead of 7.525.
using 7.525 pushrods we got the following preload turns
2 exhaust 6:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 6:00 <14 turn and 1/8 using checker
4 exhaust 8:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 8:00
6 exhaust 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
intake 8:00 < 14 turns using checker
8 exhaust 8:00
intake 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
should we leave it at 6:00 and 8:00 or should we buy 7.490 to confirm zero lash and 7.535 for the 2 short ones?
Last edited by QTR FMS; Feb 14, 2022 at 01:53 PM.
I remember those days Prior to purchasing the MS Components tool.
If you are ordering singles, you could check that you have zero or less than zero preload and order as needed.
You want to get that zero lash number and add your desire preload.
You don't want tension from the Valve springs or pressure from the lifter loading the checker tool. It can effect the true measurment.
They tell you to shoot for .035 with a plus/minus of .010 . Some builders shoot for the high side of that. I dont the expansion rate of the various blocks but I have herd the aluminum motors grow substantionaly more than the Iron blocks.
If you are ordering singles, you could check that you have zero or less than zero preload and order as needed.
You want to get that zero lash number and add your desire preload.
You don't want tension from the Valve springs or pressure from the lifter loading the checker tool. It can effect the true measurment.
They tell you to shoot for .035 with a plus/minus of .010 . Some builders shoot for the high side of that. I dont the expansion rate of the various blocks but I have herd the aluminum motors grow substantionaly more than the Iron blocks.
Last edited by 1FastBrick; Feb 14, 2022 at 08:00 PM.
Originally Posted by QTR FMS
we just checked bank 2 it took 5 and half hours to measure, on the first pushrod it took maybe 2 hours to realize that the tick performance is at least 0.00625 longer, we tried 1/16 turn at a time and we got 7.503125 for the exhaust pushrod and 7.50625 for the intake pushrod but when we checked 7.500 tick performance pushrod they had around 1/4 preload and when we went with 7.525 we got 1/2 turn preload.
also, we had inconsistencies when comparing the number of turns on the checker and the number of turns on preload, we saw a 3:00 difference on the same checker length.
6 rocker arms had 2:00 - 4:00 preload with 7.500 pushrods < we may get 7.490 tick performance pushrod to confirm that they all are at or less than 0.035 preload
2 rocker arm was at zero lash with 7.500 pushrods < I think we should order 7.535 instead of 7.525.
using 7.525 pushrods we got the following preload turns
2 exhaust 6:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 6:00 <14 turn and 1/8 using checker
4 exhaust 8:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 8:00
6 exhaust 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
intake 8:00 < 14 turns using checker
8 exhaust 8:00
intake 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
should we leave it at 6:00 and 8:00 or should we buy 7.490 to confirm zero lash and 7.535 for the 2 short ones?
also, we had inconsistencies when comparing the number of turns on the checker and the number of turns on preload, we saw a 3:00 difference on the same checker length.
6 rocker arms had 2:00 - 4:00 preload with 7.500 pushrods < we may get 7.490 tick performance pushrod to confirm that they all are at or less than 0.035 preload
2 rocker arm was at zero lash with 7.500 pushrods < I think we should order 7.535 instead of 7.525.
using 7.525 pushrods we got the following preload turns
2 exhaust 6:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 6:00 <14 turn and 1/8 using checker
4 exhaust 8:00 <14 turn and 1/16 using checker
intake 8:00
6 exhaust 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
intake 8:00 < 14 turns using checker
8 exhaust 8:00
intake 6:00 <zero lash at 7.500
should we leave it at 6:00 and 8:00 or should we buy 7.490 to confirm zero lash and 7.535 for the 2 short ones?
I very often will double check my measurements by adding my desired preload to the checker tool and verifying I get 1/2 turn. It is a great secondary check to prove your method is correct.
If they're all coming in at 6:00-8:00 range, I would run them.
Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
I remember those days Prior to purchasing the MS Components tool.
If you are ordering singles, you could check that you have zero or less than zero preload and order as needed.
You want to get that zero lash number and add your desire preload.
You don't want tension from the Valve springs or pressure from the lifter loading the checker tool. It can effect the true measurment.
They tell you to shoot for .035 with a plus/minus of .010 . Some builders shoot for the high side of that. I dont the expansion rate of the various blocks but I have herd the aluminum motors grow substantionaly more than the Iron blocks.
If you are ordering singles, you could check that you have zero or less than zero preload and order as needed.
You want to get that zero lash number and add your desire preload.
You don't want tension from the Valve springs or pressure from the lifter loading the checker tool. It can effect the true measurment.
They tell you to shoot for .035 with a plus/minus of .010 . Some builders shoot for the high side of that. I dont the expansion rate of the various blocks but I have herd the aluminum motors grow substantionaly more than the Iron blocks.
Aluminum expands way faster than steel. Since the pushrods are steel and the block is aluminum, you will lose about .010 preload. Or gain .010 lash. Depending on your perspective.
If running an iron block, your cold preload and hot preload will generally be nearly identical.
This is a FWIW post.
Aluminum expands way faster than steel. Since the pushrods are steel and the block is aluminum, you will lose about .010 preload. Or gain .010 lash. Depending on your perspective.
If running an iron block, your cold preload and hot preload will generally be nearly identical.
Aluminum expands way faster than steel. Since the pushrods are steel and the block is aluminum, you will lose about .010 preload. Or gain .010 lash. Depending on your perspective.
If running an iron block, your cold preload and hot preload will generally be nearly identical.
IIRC I think Mr. Tony Mamo told me basically the same thing when I was setting up an engine with one of his top end packages.
That's probably not far off. I remember calculating out 1.7 ratio rockers to .076 preload, but if we're talking .076 vs .072, that's splitting hairs. I just calculated out 1.8's and got .078, so again, splitting hairs. I would trust someone's reliable real-world numbers over my calculations.
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we checked cylinder #6 intake pushrod again and it was around 10:00 so we installed 7.500 and its now at 4:00.
we checked bank 1 and we had 1 at 11:00 and another at 9:00.
I think we need at least 3 pushrods 7.515 long.
if it's true that every 1/4 turn is 0.018 preload then we may need 9 pushrods shorter around 7.515 and I think cylinder #6 intake pushrod confirms that 0.025 shorter pushrods removed 6:00 or half a turn.
we will try to target between 4:00 and 6:00 preload.
the compression test drastically improved now its between 180-190, it was 75-110 when we first installed 7.550 pushrods not sure if that is the reason or if it was the new headgasket not sealing properly and required heat cycle
we checked bank 1 and we had 1 at 11:00 and another at 9:00.
I think we need at least 3 pushrods 7.515 long.
if it's true that every 1/4 turn is 0.018 preload then we may need 9 pushrods shorter around 7.515 and I think cylinder #6 intake pushrod confirms that 0.025 shorter pushrods removed 6:00 or half a turn.
we will try to target between 4:00 and 6:00 preload.
the compression test drastically improved now its between 180-190, it was 75-110 when we first installed 7.550 pushrods not sure if that is the reason or if it was the new headgasket not sealing properly and required heat cycle
My gut feeling on this is that the longer pushrods were keeping your valves open longer, causing pressure bleed down. I think when you get your 7.515 pushrods in and your preloads are in line, you'll be much happier with the engine performance.
If you had a 7.55 pushrod and you are looking at 7.15 or less for proper preload and have .25 or so of preload with that lifter travel you had valves open. You will pick up .010 when it gets hot which will help.
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we asked tick performance to make us custom pushrods but they said they cant and they wont tell us who made them.
so we got XD-A pushrods and compared them to tick performance and to get the same length visually comp cam needed 0.032 more, which is the difference between gauge length and theoretical length I assume, but when we installed them on the same rocker arm comp cam still needed to be 0.02 longer to be at the same lash.
now we are confused where did this 0.02 come from, is it from the pushrod end ?? the difference is large between the two pushrods its around 0.052
with tick performance, we need 7.5258 and with comp cam XD-A we need 7.580, this caused another problem the pushrod we order is 7.320-7.560.
so we got XD-A pushrods and compared them to tick performance and to get the same length visually comp cam needed 0.032 more, which is the difference between gauge length and theoretical length I assume, but when we installed them on the same rocker arm comp cam still needed to be 0.02 longer to be at the same lash.
now we are confused where did this 0.02 come from, is it from the pushrod end ?? the difference is large between the two pushrods its around 0.052
with tick performance, we need 7.5258 and with comp cam XD-A we need 7.580, this caused another problem the pushrod we order is 7.320-7.560.