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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 12:07 AM
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Wondering what this noise may be from? Removed the drive belts and no change so it isn't coming from any belt driven accessory. I don't drive this much and not sure exactly when this started, but hasn't been too long (less than 30 miles?). Was suggested it was lifter(s) but it's not a rhythmic tick unless it's more than one where the bad ones aren't noisy 100%. Maybe a bad lifter tray affecting multiple lifters? Getting ready to pull the rocker covers and start looking around. Posted on G8 forum, but not much insight... probably will need to pull the heads to see what the lifters/cam look like.

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Cut your oil filter open and look for stripper glitter.
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Noise increases with RPM and sounds to me like its valvetrain related so drain the oil and cut open the filter for inspection. Have you been able to isolate what side the noise is coming from?
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 12:09 PM
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Thanks...

Regarding cutting open the filter... Watched a video online where they, drained the oil filter, used a tool like a large pipe cutter to cut the top off and removed a cross section of the media for inspection. Would using a hacksaw to cut through the end of the filter work without contaminating the media too much or do you really need to use one of the filter cutting tools?
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 12:16 PM
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Regarding cutting open the filter... Watched a video online where they, drained the oil filter, used a tool like a large pipe cutter to cut the top off and removed a cross section of the media for inspection. Would using a hacksaw to cut through the end of the filter work without contaminating the media too much or do you really need to use one of the filter cutting tools?
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 01:01 PM
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Hacksaw will add another set of glitter particles, so no,not a good idea.
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I saw another video where they used tin snips which looked like a good alternative to buying another tool!

When checking the garage I found an exhaust pipe cutter with cutting wheels that will fit over the filter so that should work perfectly. Also getting a Blackstone oil test kit and will send off an oil sample.

I'll start it up one more time for a quick listen with a mechanics stethoscope and see if I can find the general area of the noise.

Now just need to get to it, hopefully by the weekend I'll have the filter cut open and see what's there!

Thanks for the replies!

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I've used snips to cut them open before and there will be plenty of media to inspect if you chose to cut it open with a hacksaw but I personally wouldn't.
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Finally had time to get back to this, pulled the heads, lifters and rockers looked OK with no noticeable damage, cam looks ok from an initial inspection but need to look more closely. Cut open the oil filter and that looks bad! Is there any reason to get an oil analysis to see what the material is or just pull the motor and have it gone through? I haven't pulled the timing cover yet and was wondering if it is using the spring type chain tensioner and the nylon (or whatever it is) fell off, would the metal spring contacting the chain cause this?



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If those are titanium retainers, you might check the undersides for chipping away by the springs.
I just saw that happen on this forum recently.
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If those are titanium retainers, you might check the undersides for chipping away by the springs.
I just saw that happen on this forum recently.
But would that cause the noise in the video?
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Oil filter always tells all secrets. If those particles are magnetic, you’ve got a cam or lifter/valvetrain issue. If they are non-magnetic then it’s a bearing. Either way, your tearing it down. I would forego the oil analysis.
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Oil filter always tells all secrets. If those particles are magnetic, you’ve got a cam or lifter/valvetrain issue. If they are non-magnetic then it’s a bearing. Either way, your tearing it down. I would forego the oil analysis.
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Removed the cam and can see damage on some of the lobes. I'm not really sure on the cam bearings as they do show wear, the cam journals look alright to me, but again I'm a novice. Here are some pics and a couple videos (not real good)... Both videos start from the back of the motor and the camera was tuned 180* between. Thanks...









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Pics of the cam journals.

At the point of either replacing the cam/lifters etc... or pulling the motor. Motor has ~120k and was running fine, then the noise started. What causing this type of wear/damage on the cam? Had good oil pressure and was maintained well as far as I know regarding oil changes with quality synthetic 5-30w.










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Noticed two of the lobes were trashed and I'm sure there's some lifter damage but at least now you have a reason for some upgrades.
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Noticed two of the lobes were trashed and I'm sure there's some lifter damage but at least now you have a reason for some upgrades.
yes. I noticed a few lifter wheels were scared on the pic. I would still check under the rocker arms to be sure there isn’t any issues. Check the rockers real good.
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Why was only four lifters shown? I agree with the heads being checked out to verify that there's no issues and that you also have the correct length push rods when going back together. If the retainers and rocker arms was the issue then you'd see damage on all of them and it would be making even more engine noise. I'd be concerned if any metal had made its way to places it shouldn't have and now the engine needs to be completely tore down and everything thoroughly cleaned before re-assembly.

Personally if it were me I'd rebuild the engine with better rods and pistons. The stock ones don't owe you anything and I'd hate to see another LS1 block go to waste due to a rod letting go.

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Why was only four lifters shown? I agree with the heads being checked out to verify that there's no issues and that you also have the correct length push rods when going back together. If the retainers and rocker arms was the issue then you'd see damage on all of them and it would be making even more engine noise. I'd be concerned if any metal had made its way to places it shouldn't have and now the engine needs to be completely tore down and everything thoroughly cleaned before re-assembly.

Personally if it were me I'd rebuild the engine with better rods and pistons. The stock ones don't owe you anything and I'd hate to see another LS1 block go to waste due to a rod letting go.
When I posted the pics of the lifters I was expecting to see more damage to cause the engine noise and they all looked the same so didn't post the rest. The lifters with lines feel smooth and all roll smoothly. Once I got the cam out and saw the damage I took a closer look at the lifters and see slight damage on one.

On the fence about pulling the motor and will probably just do the cam/lifters/heads and see how it runs. Was running well until the noise started, but you couldn't notice any issues and only first noticed the noise when the window was down backing out of the garage and pretty much parked it. Just been sitting for a few months until lately got around to working on it and seeing the issues causing the engine noise.
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Noise in the video sounds like a lifter turned 90 degrees and destroyed the 5th lobe counting from the timing gear. Definitely time for new cam and lifters at least. Those cam bearings are destroyed also. I'd do a complete overhaul because those chips went through the whole engine.
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