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Old Jan 6, 2026 | 01:55 PM
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Measuring deck height on my dished piston at the very top radius where the squish is, im getting .0185 out of the hole and -.002 in the hole rocking back and forth. Adding and then dividing, i get .0165/2 for a deck height of .00825. Is my math correct? Something seems off to me. I am trying to reach a 11.5:1 compression with a 62cc head, 4.03 bore, and 4.0 stroke (408).
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Old Jan 6, 2026 | 03:12 PM
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Is my math correct?
As far as "math" goes, yes. The result even passes the smell test.

A more urgent question would be however, whether those "numbers" are an accurate reflection of reality.

Standard procedure for determining deck height in an assembled motor, is to measure directly above the piston pin. Takes all the rest of that about "rocking" and whatnot completely out of the equation.
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Old Jan 6, 2026 | 04:37 PM
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I use a deck bridge with two mics on it. Find true TDC, and then I rock the piston until both mics read the same.



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Old Jan 6, 2026 | 07:21 PM
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Your final result of .00825" is mathematically correct based on your measurements, but ensure you understand that it is "out of the hole" (protruding above the deck), not a clearance.
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Old Jan 7, 2026 | 08:54 AM
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Wouldn’t it make more sense to measure above the piston pin.
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Originally Posted by G8 Drew
Wouldn’t it make more sense to measure above the piston pin.
Not for quench. Quench is the flat face of the piston, so what Scott (chevelle) posted is correct. A bridge mic is really the only good way to do this.
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Originally Posted by 02EBC5Z06
Not for quench. Quench is the flat face of the piston, so what Scott (chevelle) posted is correct. A bridge mic is really the only good way to do this.
above the piston pin is part of the dish so it is inconsequential when calculating my squish.
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The valve reliefs hardly ever go all the way to the edge. There's nearly always some "crown" left.

Even if there's not, you can lay a straightedge or flat something or other across it, and use a feeler gauge at the piston pin. I'd trust that AHELLUVALOT more than any "rocking".
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
The valve reliefs hardly ever go all the way to the edge. There's nearly always some "crown" left.

Even if there's not, you can lay a straightedge or flat something or other across it, and use a feeler gauge at the piston pin. I'd trust that AHELLUVALOT more than any "rocking".
Rocking the piston at TDC…as I pictured above…is the only true way to square the piston in the bore and determine actual out of the hole numbers. If the piston isn’t squared by rocking it, you’re out of the hole numbers will vary by as much as .003”. Measuring over the center of the pin is an ok method for a sbc, because the pin is centered in most of them. The LS platform uses an offset pin, which exaggerates the numbers. You’ll spend 5 minutes rocking the piston to try and find true pin center with an offset pin, meanwhile I’m done with all 8. Using the twin mic method in a deck bridge is 100% accurate, and is used by every builder that I know when extreme accuracy is needed. Coming from the Cup engine world, I know quite a few builders.
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Scott, when you rock the pistons using 2 indicators, when you write down the results, do you split the difference? For those who may not know what I'm talking about; say one indicator reads .020" rock, and the other reads .012". When added together you get .032". Divide the .032" by 2, and you get .016". Is this correct, or am I wrong? If wrong, isn't the first time!!, and won't be the last!!
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Scott, when you rock the pistons using 2 indicators, when you write down the results, do you split the difference? For those who may not know what I'm talking about; say one indicator reads .020" rock, and the other reads .012". When added together you get .032". Divide the .032" by 2, and you get .016". Is this correct, or am I wrong? If wrong, isn't the first time!!, and won't be the last!!
You rock the piston until the 2 micrometers match each other. Then you figure those measurements from the deck.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 09:28 AM
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This video shows you how. Guy is kind of shaky but hes trying to look through the camera and keep everything stable.. But you get the idea.

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Hi, your Conn rod will get longer with RPM max of ???
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Scott, when you rock the pistons using 2 indicators, when you write down the results, do you split the difference? For those who may not know what I'm talking about; say one indicator reads .020" rock, and the other reads .012". When added together you get .032". Divide the .032" by 2, and you get .016". Is this correct, or am I wrong? If wrong, isn't the first time!!, and won't be the last!!
Mike, just as 02EB said, you rock the piston until both dials read the same. Piston to wall numbers and skirt design affect rock as we all know, so it’s important to pick the correct piston and have precision machine work done when looking for a super tight quench. The pic is for reference only. I use mics for that application that read to the .0001. Tony has a video out there somewhere I believe also, that shows the method.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by IGN-1A
Hi, your Conn rod will get longer with RPM max of ???
The crankcase, is it Al OR Iron ?
Good discussion topic Lance. Depends on the rod design and material for tensile (stretch), as well as rod fastener design and material. Block material makes a difference from a thermal growth perspective also. Worth mentioning for the discussion is the crankshaft design also. A center counterweight design will hamper crank whipping, which can alter quench at high rpm.
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Old Jan 8, 2026 | 07:13 PM
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Hi, An Answeure coulds hep ?
I have assembled an engine with NO HEAD GASKET and wond INDTY 40 tipes.
Check to piston to crown ?

Lance
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Originally Posted by IGN-1A
Hi, An Answeure coulds hep ?
I have assembled an engine with NO HEAD GASKET and wond INDTY 40 tipes.
Check to piston to crown ?

Lance
Lance, I can typically make out what you’re saying, but you got me this time. I get the no headgasket part, but after that?
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John Drake taught me MANY "terms"
First, a Block contained the engine Valves AND Cylinders (No Head and no Head Gasket)
The Crankcase contained the Crankshaft and Rods
Thus, the Crown is where the Valve Seats are installed.
John Drake manufactured the MOST Successful Racing Engine of ALL TIME.
His terms should be observed
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Originally Posted by IGN-1A
John Drake taught me MANY "terms"
First, a Block contained the engine Valves AND Cylinders (No Head and no Head Gasket)
The Crankcase contained the Crankshaft and Rods
Thus, the Crown is where the Valve Seats are installed.
John Drake manufactured the MOST Successful Racing Engine of ALL TIME.
His terms should be observed
He may have manufactured the Offy, but he didn't design it.
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