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Old 11-06-2004, 06:08 PM
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Wow...so ls1tech is even reaching those in the UK. I think this all seems pretty funny since probably 90% (I would actually say greater than that) of the people posting here weren't even around for WWII and no one here was around for the American Revolution.

We all know about history and anyone one of us can go to a library.

The most disappointing fact though is how everyone bashes the corvette's suspension. The car was R&R'ed on a track in...where was it now...Europe I believe. They talk of the leaf springs...as though they pulled them off of the closest 4X4 Chevy truck and put them on there because they were much cheaper than the alternative.

Of course, though, I remember a time when everyone bashed Chevrolet because they continued to use pushrod engines in their new generation engines while everyone else is throwing as many cams into an engine as they can find.

Oh well, what's the saying, keep it simple stupid?

Hopefully this flaming doesn't keep going on because in the end, what does it matter? I haven't pulled up to a TVR yet and if I did I would admire it as much as I do Ferrarri's.

Yep, I am a Texan (minus the hat, horse, and boots) who enjoys other cultures, studied some European architecture (the most popular from centuries ago), and loves my fat-*** WS6.

Yeah, the run down on the Vette was a bit biased on the commentary side, but I can't say much about the driver on the course, I thought it held up pretty well. It did match up to an all wheel drive car.
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Originally Posted by Grant B

Why can't the US enjoy a motorsport that involves doing more than just turning left constantly (lets be honest, nascars don't really accelerate much once they get going) or accelerating constantly? I hope most people realize the science of road racing is much more complicated and difficult that drag or oval racing. No wonder they make fun of us... ****, most of my friends (who are all american) make fun of american motorsports.
When you learn that NASCARs do need to do quite a bit of accelerating after starting, and then learn that a change in vector is, in fact, acceleration, you may knock oval racing. I would also submit that the science behind drag racing is superior or equal to that of road racing.
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Come on!

Stop the bickering, Clarkson slags off almost every car tested in the interests of "humour"

It's just a TV programme about cars at the end of the day and not many people in England give its contents much thought.

TVR.s are fast/expensive and held together with mastic/paperclips

NSX.s are for ********

Corvettes are fast/not so expensive with the steering wheel on the wrong side.

Take a chill pill and remember we're both on the same side


PS old Fords are faster
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Come on!


NSX.s are for ********

Corvettes are fast/not so expensive with the steering wheel on the wrong side.
Hey, we put the steering wheel on the right sid of the car when we started MASS PRODUCING them. The complaint about Top Gear is that they generally hold American cars to different standards, not including the plastic.
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Originally Posted by BadAndy
When you learn that NASCARs do need to do quite a bit of accelerating after starting, and then learn that a change in vector is, in fact, acceleration...
I should have said longitudinal acceleration... But you knew what I ment.

, you may knock oval racing.
I don't dislike oval racing, but I do dislike the fact that its all this country seems to care about, and many people think its the be-all end-all of racing. Its not as complicated as other forms of racing, but its cheaper and simpler to do. Cheaper mostly because its easier to watch (try watching a race at Sebring from the stands, you can't see much), with some of the money from spectators eventually ending up in the participants pockets.

I would also submit that the science behind drag racing is superior or equal to that of road racing.
Why would you say that? Do you know that many road races have drag starts? All Formula classes that I can think of use drag starts, as well as the pro SCCA classes and many shifter-kart classes. Think of all the compromises that must go into a road racing car, and the number of things that change from one track to another...

Of course, though, I remember a time when everyone bashed Chevrolet because they continued to use pushrod engines in their new generation engines while everyone else is throwing as many cams into an engine as they can find.

Oh well, what's the saying, keep it simple stupid?
Pushrods are simpler than a solid buck-shim valvetrain? They may have less moving parts, but the design is more complex. DOHC heads are definitely more reliable.
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Edrummr and Grant B have clearly got the hang of this. It's the internet, not real life. Keep a sense of humour or act like a low IQ ******* in the remedial class. I apologise to both of you and the other adults in advance for my shameless baiting but the window lickers really do just ask for it and I can't resist.

Which brings us to...................
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blah, blah, blah it will be a waste of time since we already kicked your *** to gain our freedom.
Heavily assisted by the French and Spanish if I'm not mistaken? Sadly they've turned tail this time and we're all the help you've got. Come to think of it, have you actually won any major conflict without help from other nations? No, I thought not. (Going to tropical islands en-masse and kicking their ragtag police force around doesn't count).

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i want to touch base on the Iraq situation. yes, England in an indispensable partner, but lets be realistic. Americans have shed more blood(1100+ lives) as compared to the Brits(less than a 100),
Which might suggest that maybe you've been going about it the wrong way? Before the invasion of Iraq the British Army's pep talk reminded them how the Euphrates region was the cradle of civilisation and home to the garden of Eden. The troops were told to be magnanimous in victory. What did the US Army get? Some testosterone frenzied idiot screaming "Let's kick ***!!" Nice, eh?

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England sent a half-assed amount of troops to Iraq (no surprise),
Quality will always outperform quantity. Speak to anyone with experience of both the US and British armed forces and they will tell you the average British soldier/sailor/airman is more effective than his american counterpart mainly due to differing training philosophies. The US forces train 'specialists' with a relatively narrow field of responsibilities whereas the Brits prefer their personnel to be multi-disciplined. Please, before you simply whip back at me on this find someone with the abovementioned experience and ASK them. You probably won't like their answer though.

If you want evidence of this research the previously mentioned campaigns ie Vietnam and Malaya. Two completely different attitudes yielded two completely different results.

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but hey we can use your 1000 soldiers to do our laundry while we go out there and take care of business.. just quit sniffing the jock straps,but i guess thats hard for you British ***** since you would like to know what a man with ***** smell like.
Definate homophobic tendencies there. Getting a bit worried about your own 'shower thoughts' and pointing the finger in an attempt to cover up your own insecurities perhaps? The ones that shout loudest usually have something to hide.

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also, your complaining about the C6s "old fashion" suspension, try getting back to modern times. fix your roads. who the hell wants to travel on cobblestone roads anyway? do us a favor...AHHH ****, i did it again. I mean, do use an FAVOUR, drink your tea, eat your fish and chips, get an tan, and quit trying to be so ******* PROPER....its an car forum for god's sake.
Pretty feeble that. I think you were running out of ideas by the end. C'mon, you can do better. After all we are British, there must be plenty of material for even your enfeebled brain to work on.


PS I'll be away for a few days but shall do my best to look in. Don't disappoint me, will you?
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Woohoo hello boys.

It’s me your local friendly English gay boy.
Oh how I like your forum it tickles me pink you all seem so ready to come over here and violate me must admit im looking forward to it very much.

you lot seem to miss understand topgear it isn’t what it used to be, its no longer a serious program but its intended as light hearted entertainment.

Clarkson is a ***** yes but a very funny one, your right he isn’t the best driver out there but neither are all of you (ooh how’s that for a sweeping statement) the stig is a very capable driver and has been involved in pro motor sport for many years.

Why cant you guys just get over the fact you haven’t actually made any progress in car design since the model t

I still don’t understand why Americans don’t get humour its not that hard is it :s


Typical of the severe lack of American intelligence (been shown in this thread).

And why is it you always seem to fuckup everything you try to do.

And what’s your obsession with big engines they aint the be all and end all ya know actually try and develop an engine and you can get much better performance for a lot less weight and as everyone knows weight is god in the car game.

as for torque so what my car as 320lbft 433nm of the stuff and that’s just from a 1.9 lol who need a 7 litre engine or what ever stupid size lump you want to shove in your front heavy barges.

Anyway im going to go back to watching you get your ***** kicked in nam lol
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Originally Posted by Flintstone
Edrummr and Grant B have clearly got the hang of this. It's the internet, not real life. Keep a sense of humour or act like a low IQ ******* in the remedial class. I apologise to both of you and the other adults in advance for my shameless baiting but the window lickers really do just ask for it and I can't resist.

Which brings us to...................

Heavily assisted by the French and Spanish if I'm not mistaken? Sadly they've turned tail this time and we're all the help you've got. Come to think of it, have you actually won any major conflict without help from other nations? No, I thought not. (Going to tropical islands en-masse and kicking their ragtag police force around doesn't count).



Which might suggest that maybe you've been going about it the wrong way? Before the invasion of Iraq the British Army's pep talk reminded them how the Euphrates region was the cradle of civilisation and home to the garden of Eden. The troops were told to be magnanimous in victory. What did the US Army get? Some testosterone frenzied idiot screaming "Let's kick ***!!" Nice, eh?



Quality will always outperform quantity. Speak to anyone with experience of both the US and British armed forces and they will tell you the average British soldier/sailor/airman is more effective than his american counterpart mainly due to differing training philosophies. The US forces train 'specialists' with a relatively narrow field of responsibilities whereas the Brits prefer their personnel to be multi-disciplined. Please, before you simply whip back at me on this find someone with the abovementioned experience and ASK them. You probably won't like their answer though.

If you want evidence of this research the previously mentioned campaigns ie Vietnam and Malaya. Two completely different attitudes yielded two completely different results.



Definate homophobic tendencies there. Getting a bit worried about your own 'shower thoughts' and pointing the finger in an attempt to cover up your own insecurities perhaps? The ones that shout loudest usually have something to hide.



Pretty feeble that. I think you were running out of ideas by the end. C'mon, you can do better. After all we are British, there must be plenty of material for even your enfeebled brain to work on.


PS I'll be away for a few days but shall do my best to look in. Don't disappoint me, will you?
you're right, you are british= ...me ,gay? ask your mother..
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The fact that you british guys think that Clarkson is funny is testament to the overtly stuffy society you live in, one frequently stereotyped by Americans (not saying that is right.)

I'll get back to the point:

Obviously euro-biased TopGear sabotaged the Vette in the test by handicapping it with a horrible driver (the stig can drive, the ******** who drove can't) because it was in the interest of entertaining in the UK.

This is because, like it or not, the show can be made to show its audience what it wants to see; in this case, I would be happy to bet a few "coppers" that more viewers wanted to see the Vette fail against the European competition than didn't. Example:

"Unfortunately, there is more misery to come when you're driving it."

Hmmmm... The Corvette bested the new 997 in the Car and Driver comparison test, rocketing to 60 in 4.1 seconds, and generating .98g on the skidpad. How "miserable."

"The clutch is hurting my left leg."

That is because you are a ******* female and have no business in a sports car, *****.

"Is this the pinnacle of American sports car icons? A plastic wedge with a horrible interior, a clunky transmission, and suspension technology lifted from the old testament?"

And you wonder why many on this site are offended.

I think that the American publications/shows are at least, unbiased and objective for the most part. Consider that the TVR 350 destroys the Vette in their little sissy drag, but the Vette is documented to be faster in 0-60 (4.1s) and top speed (186.) From Supercars.net on the TVR 350:

Top Speed: 281.6 kph / 175.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.4 seconds

I find it completely comical that the fudgepacker host has the nerve to say, "Oh, dear... The Brits, they win."


It makes your entire nation look bad to deliberately handicap a car like the Vette was handicapped by the tool driving it. A car .3s slower walks on the faster car by apparent buslengths. I'm baffled.

Care to explain, UK guys?

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Id love to explain.

ITS A ******* TV PROGRAMME.

Christ, lets skip the tea drinking and inbred jokes and get down to the facts.

Conflicts resolved without foreign intervention:

USA - None. Vietnam, defeated.
UK - One, Falkland Islands, Victory.

We are allies, lets start acting like it you immature *******. The fact that more of your troops have died during Operation Telic has showed that, in general, your commanders make poorer decisions than ours.

The programme was biased. Of course it was, it was designed for a UK audience. But, if I didnt make myself clear earlier, it is just that, a TV programme. Therefore, it is partly fictional. (If youre unsure what this means, take a look at the film 'U571', in which an American naval team apparently catch an Enigma machine). The fact that some of you feel the need to belittle the British nation is pathetic. Its a programme about cars, not the war of independence, so why do you mention that? Oh thats right, it makes you feel better about your dying economy and your losing war against terrorism. May I just ask, if our troops are there simply to sniff your jockstraps, why have you called upon the services of the Black Watch in Fallujah? Why did the British forces soon control Basra, while the American forces struggle to contain their zones?

All this arguing simply reinforces the argument as to why the world truly hates the USA. Out of this entire thread, there are approximately 3 Americans who have put forth a good argument, and they havent felt the need to resort to stereptypes. Either learn the way of the world, or die in your spiralling gun crime. Im not anti American before you get on your high horse either.


Argue about the cars. Anything else just shows how stupid you really are.
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This is to nancystoolpushercumdrinker, and him only. My previous post was objective and not negative towards Britain. However, ****** has pissed me off, so please excuse the britain-bashing in this post.
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Typical of the severe lack of American intelligence (been shown in this thread).
I get a kick out of you, my little british keyboard warrior. I wonder if you'd say that in the USA, or you can only do it with an ocean seperating yourself from it.

Now go brush your crooked teeth, bang an ugly British broad


(cause we all know that there are about 3 good looking women in your country) and kill yourself.



It's no coincidence that the URL for this pic is www.thegrid.org.uk/learning/science/teaching/ks1-2/examples/livingthings/teeth/badteeth.jpg

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Its also no coincidence that if you type 'obesity problem' in to google, the majority of sites concern the US, you ******* idiot.
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Good response.

How about adressing my first post, or is that beyond your mental reach?

Again:

The fact that you british guys think that Clarkson is funny is testament to the overtly stuffy society you live in, one frequently stereotyped by Americans (not saying that is right.)

I'll get back to the point:

Obviously euro-biased TopGear sabotaged the Vette in the test by handicapping it with a horrible driver (the stig can drive, the ******** who drove can't) because it was in the interest of entertaining in the UK.

This is because, like it or not, the show can be made to show its audience what it wants to see; in this case, I would be happy to bet a few "coppers" that more viewers wanted to see the Vette fail against the European competition than didn't. Example:

"Unfortunately, there is more misery to come when you're driving it."

Hmmmm... The Corvette bested the new 997 in the Car and Driver comparison test, rocketing to 60 in 4.1 seconds, and generating .98g on the skidpad. How "miserable."

"The clutch is hurting my left leg."

That is because you are a ******* female and have no business in a sports car, *****.

"Is this the pinnacle of American sports car icons? A plastic wedge with a horrible interior, a clunky transmission, and suspension technology lifted from the old testament?"

And you wonder why many on this site are offended.

I think that the American publications/shows are at least, unbiased and objective for the most part. Consider that the TVR 350 destroys the Vette in their little sissy drag, but the Vette is documented to be faster in 0-60 (4.1s) and top speed (186.) From Supercars.net on the TVR 350:

Top Speed: 281.6 kph / 175.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.4 seconds

I find it completely comical that the fudgepacker host has the nerve to say, "Oh, dear... The Brits, they win."


It makes your entire nation look bad to deliberately handicap a car like the Vette was handicapped by the tool driving it. A car .3s slower walks on the faster car by apparent buslengths. I'm baffled.

Care to explain, UK guys?
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I believe I addressed your first response in this delightful bit:

ITS A ******* TV PROGRAMME

Now grow up you tosser.

Do I question the truth behind Friends? Frasier? Will and Grace? No, because if I did, Id learn that Americans are hideously unfunny.
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Originally Posted by baddogz28
This is to nancystoolpushercumdrinker, and him only. My previous post was objective and not negative towards Britain. However, ****** has pissed me off, so please excuse the britain-bashing in this post.

I get a kick out of you, my little british keyboard warrior. I wonder if you'd say that in the USA, or you can only do it with an ocean seperating yourself from it.

Now go brush your crooked teeth, bang an ugly British broad


(cause we all know that there are about 3 good looking women in your country) and kill yourself.



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lmao..
to admiral nelson...go **** yourself. our commanders are making decisions that put american troops in jeopardy because british ****...i mean soldiers, dont have the ***** to get the job done. i have family in Iraq, so for you to sit there and question the job we are doing is oblivious to the fact that no other country wants to step up.
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Since now you are editing your posts to make yourself look smart (and failing) I'll edit mine too.



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Go **** myself? I am currently waiting to do a tour of duty in Iraq, and should be shipped out there sometime within the next year. Your commanders are making decisions which are getting your troops killed. To quote Churchill:

''The Americans have great troops, but poor commanders''.

Those 'British ****' have been used by the US forces to complete the more secrative missions purely because your troops arent well trained enough to do the job.

Who found Osama Bin laden last year? The SAS.
Who instructed the SAS not to kill him because they wanted US forces to capture him? The CIA.
Who escaped due to bungling American forces? Osama Bin Laden.

SO much for your godly forces, you *****.

Bad dog, Id love to know how pointing out to you that Id already addressed your post with a simple explanation which you failed to spot makes me a moron. Sometimes, your intelligence astounds me
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Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson
Go **** myself? I am currently waiting to do a tour of duty in Iraq, and should be shipped out there sometime within the next year. Your commanders are making decisions which are getting your troops killed. To quote Churchill:

''The Americans have great troops, but poor commanders''.

Those 'British ****' have been used by the US forces to complete the more secrative missions purely because your troops arent well trained enough to do the job.

Who found Osama Bin laden last year? The SAS.
Who instructed the SAS not to kill him because they wanted US forces to capture him? The CIA.
Who escaped due to bungling American forces? Osama Bin Laden.

SO much for your godly forces, you *****.
Thanks for helping in the war on terror. The world appreciates it.

Your military service doesn't, however, excuse you from being a complete fucktard.

Show me where I mentioned anything military.

EDIT: Apparently, you weren't responding to me. Maybe you have figured out that you will be owned immediately.... Good boy.


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This, yet again, shows your limited intellectual capacity bad dog. If youd read 1qwikz post, you'd see I was replying to him. You may also notice, that the part of my post directed at you was headed with the words 'bad dog'. Just a simple lesson in English here, if I use your name, Im referring to you. This should suggest that the previous part of the post referring to military excersises wasnt referring to you.

I hope you understood all that, because so far you really do seem like a special needs student.
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Use the 'quote' button then, or don't they have that in the UK?

Did you miss this?
EDIT: Apparently, you weren't responding to me.
Time to eat a pizza. Until we meet again, ignoramus.
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