2006 or 2007 Camaro
06-24-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by slt200mph
The problem with the GTO is that is a uninspiring looking car..Grand Prix front end Honda Accord back end on it and extremely over weight...it does have a nice interior but not a very exciting car IMHO...saw a few of them at the track a few weeks ago running neck and neck with the new rustangs in the mid 14's.. hopefully GM will redesign the car and build us a real muscle car with some exciting looks in the future...GM figured that they could slap a GTO decal on something and people would fall all over themselves rushing to buy it..what a joke.. 
06-24-2005, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitten
Not long but the weather is nice...and so are the cars.
I know I may seem a bit eager here, but I could very well see two very definate engine options here. Aside from the other options that I talked about, I can honestly see an LS7 Variant and most definately the LS2.
It would make sense for them to take on the GT-500 because there is obviously a Market for it. Ford is going to be producing it at a cost of around 38,000.00 for the coupe. That is 38K for 475 HP, 450 TQ from a DOHC 5.4 that has the GT heads, and a cast block. At 3800 lbs, Chevy could answer that car with an LS7 down rated and a little more cheaply produced in a Camaro that will weigh much less than that. I could see a 450 HP LS7 without all the drysump stuff. Hey they have the new facility to build specialty engines just like SVT, building LS7 for a Camaro would be no big deal.
I know I may seem a bit eager here, but I could very well see two very definate engine options here. Aside from the other options that I talked about, I can honestly see an LS7 Variant and most definately the LS2.
It would make sense for them to take on the GT-500 because there is obviously a Market for it. Ford is going to be producing it at a cost of around 38,000.00 for the coupe. That is 38K for 475 HP, 450 TQ from a DOHC 5.4 that has the GT heads, and a cast block. At 3800 lbs, Chevy could answer that car with an LS7 down rated and a little more cheaply produced in a Camaro that will weigh much less than that. I could see a 450 HP LS7 without all the drysump stuff. Hey they have the new facility to build specialty engines just like SVT, building LS7 for a Camaro would be no big deal.
FYI the dry sump does not produce more horse power..it is to prevent oil starvation in high G corners...and not really a added expense in a mass produced engine..you will see the LS 2 in the f body replacement but the LS 7 will not be offered in the car..it will remain exclusive to the Z06...the Wixom Preformance Build Center is used to produce the Supercharged Northstar engine that goes in the Caddy XLR V and the STS V a long with the LS 7 for the Z06..it is a brand new facility that is used for low production high performance engines...it will working at its maximum capicity to produce the Z06 and LS 7 crate motor and the Northstar motors.. put down your motor trend and car and driver magizines...they are filling you head with mush grasshopper...you are talking about a small market segment..you may be excited about it but it is obvious that GM is not...other wise you would have a current GM car in that market segment...( the sorry *** current GTO doesn't count the numbers aren't big enough) the 2 door sports coup is not somethng that GM is going to go hog wild about...they have been down that road before...something will happen but I do not think the the scale of things to come is any place close to what you are wishing for..
06-24-2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Checkmate
Those drivers are clueless. 05's are running low 13's and the 04's are running mid 13's with a decent driver.
I have not seen any fast ones yet..but there might be one out there somewhere..
..thoses cars are few and far between anyway..how many have you seen going down the road??..granted with the uninspiring styling they don't really grab your attention...they are almost invisible...if the one at the auto show had not been painted brite yellow I would have never seen it...a very dull car...if they are going to build it with dull styling at least they could have made it real fast to make up for the terrible looks. 
06-24-2005, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by slt200mph
They did less than 30 days ago...I can give you a phone number of someone who knows for sure in Detroit..GM exec...
06-24-2005, 12:44 PM
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personally i don't particulary care if the camaro of firebird come back. i just want a front engine rear drive 2 door car from GM with 400+ hp and under 32k that has some styling too. using old names, chevelle or nova(maybe a kappa derivative), or banshee. If they woudl make a GTO similar to the styling of the orange concept car, that would fe sufficient
06-24-2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix57
personally i don't particulary care if the camaro of firebird come back. i just want a front engine rear drive 2 door car from GM with 400+ hp and under 32k that has some styling too. using old names, chevelle or nova(maybe a kappa derivative), or banshee. If they woudl make a GTO similar to the styling of the orange concept car, that would fe sufficient
06-24-2005, 01:10 PM
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idk about the camaro, but they are maing an "SS" which is going to take the place of the camaro in 2007, its supposed to be alot faster (probably about 13.0 to compete with the WRX STi and Evo VIII) come with a 396, get high 20's in gas mileage and weight around 2,900 lbs. should be some kick *** car. they are going retro on it to make it look like a 69' camaro as well
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06-24-2005, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by greatskiiiier
idk about the camaro, but they are maing an "SS" which is going to take the place of the camaro in 2007, its supposed to be alot faster (probably about 13.0 to compete with the WRX STi and Evo VIII) come with a 396, get high 20's in gas mileage and weight around 2,900 lbs. should be some kick *** car. they are going retro on it to make it look like a 69' camaro as well
06-24-2005, 01:15 PM
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dont have time to read the posts, but here are some sites and pictures...
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...409phr_camaro/
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...09phr_5camaro/
http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/...51f1652293.JPG
http://www.uberchad.net/albums/2007Camaro/comaroz28.jpg
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/J...2007camaro.jpg
http://tiger.towson.edu/~wchalk1/mafba/news.htm
http://myitforum.techtarget.com/blog...1/03/1210.aspx
ive been told its going to be an LS2 or LS7 as well, dont no if those links will work, but u can copy and paste them if not
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...409phr_camaro/
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...09phr_5camaro/
http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/...51f1652293.JPG
http://www.uberchad.net/albums/2007Camaro/comaroz28.jpg
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/J...2007camaro.jpg
http://tiger.towson.edu/~wchalk1/mafba/news.htm
http://myitforum.techtarget.com/blog...1/03/1210.aspx
ive been told its going to be an LS2 or LS7 as well, dont no if those links will work, but u can copy and paste them if not
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06-24-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by greatskiiiier
dont have time to read the posts, but here are some sites and pictures...
Take a step out of fantasy land.
06-24-2005, 03:08 PM
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w/e, but there wont be a camaro anytime soon, itll be the SS, maybe those sites and pics are out dated, but the info in my post before it isnt, idk bout the weight, but it said it was going to be a nice reduction from the 2002, which is 3,400 so it depends on what you say a "nice reduction" will be, and the 396 idk, but itll either be that, the LS2 or an LS7,
PS- they can have the 396 only put out 350HP, just cuz its a 396 doesnt mean it has to put out more then an LS1
PS- they can have the 396 only put out 350HP, just cuz its a 396 doesnt mean it has to put out more then an LS1
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06-24-2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by greatskiiiier
w/e, but there wont be a camaro anytime soon, itll be the SS, maybe those sites and pics are out dated, but the info in my post before it isnt
06-24-2005, 03:17 PM
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I wish you and whitten could have been with the birmingham group while we talked to Scott. He had some very interesting information, not just on the camaro.
I had a one hour conversation with Scott on Sat nite dude
06-24-2005, 03:18 PM
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im not argueing anymore, but they cant put the camaro name on the car till 2017 because the Therese plant is the only place they can be produced, and its getting/ got torn down
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06-24-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
I agree just make it a V8 rwd 4 seat car. Who cares what the name is. The GTO name is killing one of GM's best looking, well built car in many years. The GTO was designed to be marketed against a 3 series BMW and other rwd imports not the Mustang.
GTO puts me to sleep...boring, boring, boring not to mention over weight and slow..who ever thinks the Beemer customers are going to go look at the Pontiac GTSlow are dreaming
06-24-2005, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by greatskiiiier
idk about the camaro, but they are maing an "SS" which is going to take the place of the camaro in 2007, its supposed to be alot faster (probably about 13.0 to compete with the WRX STi and Evo VIII) come with a 396, get high 20's in gas mileage and weight around 2,900 lbs. should be some kick *** car. they are going retro on it to make it look like a 69' camaro as well
If you are talking about the SS super sport concept car that was on the auto show tour a year ago that project is dead and is not going to happen..it was a show car only
06-24-2005, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by greatskiiiier
w/e, but there wont be a camaro anytime soon, itll be the SS, maybe those sites and pics are out dated, but the info in my post before it isnt, idk bout the weight, but it said it was going to be a nice reduction from the 2002, which is 3,400 so it depends on what you say a "nice reduction" will be, and the 396 idk, but itll either be that, the LS2 or an LS7,
PS- they can have the 396 only put out 350HP, just cuz its a 396 doesnt mean it has to put out more then an LS1
PS- they can have the 396 only put out 350HP, just cuz its a 396 doesnt mean it has to put out more then an LS1
Earth calling fantasy island dweller..the 04 Z06 weighed in a 3045 the new Z06 weighs in at 3130...where is this feather weight car going to come from. An NHRA Pro Stocker weight is 2250 just to give you some idea of what automobiles on the mainland weigh.