World Warhawk Production Blocks
Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Awesome piece of work guys. Will this be at SEMA so I can drool over it in person? lol
is it me or could you possibly resleeve the blocks for an even bigger bore? i ask because its not really a siamese bore and looks like theres room for someone to go....more. kind of like the block is meant to be modded..hmmm. what have you done merlin?
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Guys,
On the question of Bore spacing, it is a fine line you walk when you sleeve blocks. As one of the previous posters mentioned we have to try to be conservative (if there is such a place in this occupation), so we don't go to a place that will land us truck loads of returns. 4.125" we are happy with, so that is the number we want to present to you.
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On the question of Bore spacing, it is a fine line you walk when you sleeve blocks. As one of the previous posters mentioned we have to try to be conservative (if there is such a place in this occupation), so we don't go to a place that will land us truck loads of returns. 4.125" we are happy with, so that is the number we want to present to you.
Thanks,
W1
Originally Posted by Warhawk 1
Guys,
On the question of Bore spacing, it is a fine line you walk when you sleeve blocks. As one of the previous posters mentioned we have to try to be conservative (if there is such a place in this occupation), so we don't go to a place that will land us truck loads of returns. 4.125" we are happy with, so that is the number we want to present to you.
Thanks,
W1
On the question of Bore spacing, it is a fine line you walk when you sleeve blocks. As one of the previous posters mentioned we have to try to be conservative (if there is such a place in this occupation), so we don't go to a place that will land us truck loads of returns. 4.125" we are happy with, so that is the number we want to present to you.
Thanks,
W1
their web-site shows .100 sleeve and .300 support thickness with 4.125 bore.
so, considering that maybe the answer to my question is 4.175 max to leave a safe .075 sleeve thickness.
EDIT: nobody caught my math mistake :embarrased:
so, considering that maybe the answer to my question is 4.175 max to leave a safe .075 sleeve thickness.
EDIT: nobody caught my math mistake :embarrased:
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Originally Posted by Bandit28
nice block!, make it bigger!
Sorry...Merlin Pro and WarHawk...I guess you just can't please all the masses huh?
Beautiful piece, and I'm sure we're gonna see a lot of fast cars because of it. So how long before we see a 427 with a pair of hair dryers going deep into the 6s as a pro mod car?
If you people want bigger, go get a damned Donovan Alum. Big Block! Sheesh
Originally Posted by sb427f-car
Jesus...
Sorry...Merlin Pro and WarHawk...I guess you just can't please all the masses huh?
Beautiful piece, and I'm sure we're gonna see a lot of fast cars because of it. So how long before we see a 427 with a pair of hair dryers going deep into the 6s as a pro mod car?
If you people want bigger, go get a damned Donovan Alum. Big Block! Sheesh
Sorry...Merlin Pro and WarHawk...I guess you just can't please all the masses huh?
Beautiful piece, and I'm sure we're gonna see a lot of fast cars because of it. So how long before we see a 427 with a pair of hair dryers going deep into the 6s as a pro mod car?
If you people want bigger, go get a damned Donovan Alum. Big Block! Sheesh
. split dominators, hogged out 6 bolt ls7s, 15:1 compresssion... etc etc... i think thatd be wild enough
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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
i was thinking a 1500hp all motor 470-480. split dominators, hogged out 6 bolt ls7s, 15:1 compresssion... etc etc... i think thatd be wild enough
. split dominators, hogged out 6 bolt ls7s, 15:1 compresssion... etc etc... i think thatd be wild enough
Originally Posted by sb427f-car
Out of a small block of any kind, good luck...unless of course you have a fogger system on there.
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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
its not the size of the block but how much its displacing. it wouldnt be as harrd to get that first thousand as it would be to get that last 500, just gotta take a few things from prostock. since im sure these things will easily go to 500cid it wouldnt be as hard as you really think, just expensive as hell..titanium rods, valves, retainers, billet lightened crank, badass custom slugs, perfect tolerances, custom cam that resulted form many hours of contimplating, tests, etc... the formula is already out there, its getting the money to put it together thats the hard part
There are pleanty of shops that do 454+ inch SBCs on foggers that put out 1500+ horse (pure race mind you) but naturally aspirated, you will just not beat a big block when it comes to valve and runner sizes.
Originally Posted by sb427f-car
But you have to remember...pro stock heads are hogged out to HUGE runners. They have 10+" deck heights, run VERY big bores, short strokes, long rods. That's a forumula that is almost impossible to fit into a small block of any kind.
There are pleanty of shops that do 454+ inch SBCs on foggers that put out 1500+ horse (pure race mind you) but naturally aspirated, you will just not beat a big block when it comes to valve and runner sizes.
There are pleanty of shops that do 454+ inch SBCs on foggers that put out 1500+ horse (pure race mind you) but naturally aspirated, you will just not beat a big block when it comes to valve and runner sizes.
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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
you should learn that "never" in this world is a very bad word...heh. until someone really pushes these motors...we wont know. i mean hell SAM/ERL's 500cid motor put our 700hp without even trying. 1000-1100 hp is just a little research and well picked head/cam combo away. you just cant compare the sbc to these motors...
And I'm also thinking a sbc with canted (splayed) valve (big block style) heads...I should have been clearer in that point.
Now you say 1000 1100 horse without a power adder. I think that's more reasonable. When you start making that kind of horsepower, it becomes very hard to make an additional 5 horse.
Look at how long NHRA teams experiment to get a full second of ET knocked off. 2 years ago, the Pro Stock record was what, 6.67 @ 206. In a 2800# car that's somewhere around 1600~1700 horse. 2 years later, it's NOW down to 6.5x (a high 6.5x like a 6.57). Granted, some of that is tire tech, suspension tech, motor, and aero, but still.
IMHO, you will just NOT make 1500 horse without a power adder on any kind of small block (be it LS1, SBC, Ford Mod motor). The bore spacing, deck heights, come into play with being able to get the huge runners and vavles that you need to be able to do that. Factor in price...and well...it's cheaper to run two hair dryers on a 427" motor and make 2 times the power.
what ive been wondering as i look at these pics is where are the water jackets? maybe this has been discussed or im just missing something but will these blocks be prone to heating issues? especially when going with a big cube set up?
It looks to be basically a welded deck with the steam holes drilled in the middle. I've done this to LS6 and LS2 blocks where you weld all the center waterjackets right shut, then drill the steam holes out. Very rigid deck and they never had a heating problem at 1000+rwhp
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Murda and Sled,
As the caption states, this is the first production, saleable block. No welding, no drilling.The jacketing is present and different from the OE block. We route the water differently, and in such a way as to increase the block's strength by the jacket design. Our guys spent a lot of time on this and there will be no cooling issues with bigger displacements.
As the caption states, this is the first production, saleable block. No welding, no drilling.The jacketing is present and different from the OE block. We route the water differently, and in such a way as to increase the block's strength by the jacket design. Our guys spent a lot of time on this and there will be no cooling issues with bigger displacements.