dynoed 408 with l92 ported heads and disappointed
#44
Originally Posted by 1320FEVER
I found that exhaust makes a HUGE difference with these big displacement motors. They simply need more to breath because the move so much air. You can free up as much as 30 hp or more just by having the correct exhaust setup.
Then I would take a hard look at your tune. AF ratio and timing advance. If your running too rich for some reason that can absolutely kill power. Find out if the tuner suppressed any codes and find out what the codes were. You might even be getting some KR.
I would try those two things before buying a bunch of new parts.
So, if you take your baseline, 415, add 30hp for better exhaust, add another 30 for a proper tune, that puts you at about 475 hp. Just about right for that motor with those heads going through an automatic.
Then I would take a hard look at your tune. AF ratio and timing advance. If your running too rich for some reason that can absolutely kill power. Find out if the tuner suppressed any codes and find out what the codes were. You might even be getting some KR.
I would try those two things before buying a bunch of new parts.
So, if you take your baseline, 415, add 30hp for better exhaust, add another 30 for a proper tune, that puts you at about 475 hp. Just about right for that motor with those heads going through an automatic.
#45
Originally Posted by c0ncEpT
Yeah, your cam seems a little bit small. Im not expert so Ill let someone else direct you to what you would need for your persional goals
#46
It's about the size of a TSP MagicStick 3 or 4..
You could get something like a TSP TexasGiant... Thats what my buddy runs in his 402. Makes 493rwhp in a C5 with shitty heads...
A bad O2 sensor will cause all kinds of issues... car to run like *** and lack power.
You could get something like a TSP TexasGiant... Thats what my buddy runs in his 402. Makes 493rwhp in a C5 with shitty heads...
A bad O2 sensor will cause all kinds of issues... car to run like *** and lack power.
#47
Originally Posted by king jack
Your suggestion on a good cam please?
I would pay a custom grinder. Ed Curtis would probably get my business. Bret Bauer on these boards has a good rep as well.
Nate
#48
Here's my take at it, don't buy anything yet. Try to fix your current problems first. Make sure everything is right with the tune. Then start upgrading the necessary, then move on to other upgrades. Don't do everything at once or you'll never know what fixed it. Take it one step at a time. Throwing nitrous at it or other power adders isn't the most logical. You obviously have some issues on your hands and we can sit here all day/night telling you what it COULD be, but that is something you need to take back to your builder/tuner and let him figure out, especially since you paid for it. Too many variables, too many possibilities. Summary-Troubleshoot, fix problems, and then upgrade.
#50
Originally Posted by Beast96Z
I would think the cam would be ok in that combo. The X cams have fairly wide splits on them, so that should help with the poor exaust flow. However, the poor exaust ports coupled with the poor flowing mac mids is what is probablly causing the low numbers. Your severly choking the motor with a header that can barley support a stock LS1, much less a 408 with big heads. Figure out your PCV problem and get a nice long tube and your numbers should rise alot.
I've made over 510 rwhp with a 238/242 xer in a 408. I doubt it's the cam. Exhaust is a major issue, fix the basics then let's see what's going on.
#51
something is definitely wrong. my old FMS 408 with stg3 317 heads and a 246/250 630ish lift cam made 535/501(45miles on it at time of dyno) through a LS2 intake/Fast 90mm tb....37lb injectors. and was on a safe 12:1 a/f through an M6 12bolt /w4.10s. and full true dual xpipe setup.
#52
Has anyone else noticed that he said is trap speed was about 94.5 in the 1/8th mile? Thats pretty good for an all motor/full weighted car. What is that, about like 118 in the 1/4 mile? Sounds like the motor is putting down the numbers that it should. Try one of the calculators (I used this one):
http://www.nationaldrivetrain.com/calcs/dragcalc.html
You never stated whether this was on a mustnag dyno or dynojet? Big difference. And those were probably uncorrected numbers as well.
I wouldn't put too much stock in dyno numbers. Take it to a 1/4 mile and see what she does. Throw some skinnies on front. That should be good for another .1 or so...
http://www.nationaldrivetrain.com/calcs/dragcalc.html
You never stated whether this was on a mustnag dyno or dynojet? Big difference. And those were probably uncorrected numbers as well.
I wouldn't put too much stock in dyno numbers. Take it to a 1/4 mile and see what she does. Throw some skinnies on front. That should be good for another .1 or so...
#53
Originally Posted by Nate_Taufer
With a 12cc dish it puts him right at 11:1, but that X4 is killing his DCR.
Nate
Nate
Originally Posted by 1320FEVER
What is that, about like 118 in the 1/4 mile?
Originally Posted by 2c5s
I've made over 510 rwhp with a 238/242 xer in a 408. I doubt it's the cam. Exhaust is a major issue, fix the basics then let's see what's going on.
Last edited by Beast96Z; 11-14-2006 at 12:11 AM.
#56
Originally Posted by Beast96Z
I guess your agree'ing with me? Because you said the same thing as me?
Yep!! To many possible issues going that cloud up the results.
I'm not worried one bit about my L92 head purchase.
#57
Originally Posted by 2c5s
Yep!! To many possible issues going that cloud up the results.
I'm not worried one bit about my L92 head purchase.
I'm not worried one bit about my L92 head purchase.
#59
when you find your lost power you are going to need larger injectors. what size do you have?
you seem to have a serious mismatch of parts. a motor build isn't worth doing unless you do it right. not trying to be an ***, but you need a lot of time/patience to do it right and you seem to have thrown it together somewhat half-***.
1. get the dyno graph and a/f ratio and see if it indicates a problem. post it here for input
2. fix the oil problem and see if that helps.
3. get some larger injectors, they will obviously not support what this motor SHOULD make if they are at 90% now.
4. get some decent headers on there.
JMO!
also, we are kinda assuming it is a dynojet. please let us know if it is a dynojet or mustang dyno.
you seem to have a serious mismatch of parts. a motor build isn't worth doing unless you do it right. not trying to be an ***, but you need a lot of time/patience to do it right and you seem to have thrown it together somewhat half-***.
1. get the dyno graph and a/f ratio and see if it indicates a problem. post it here for input
2. fix the oil problem and see if that helps.
3. get some larger injectors, they will obviously not support what this motor SHOULD make if they are at 90% now.
4. get some decent headers on there.
JMO!
also, we are kinda assuming it is a dynojet. please let us know if it is a dynojet or mustang dyno.
Last edited by 383ss; 11-14-2006 at 09:01 AM.
#60
Stock fuel pump isn't going to do it If I tried doing that on my setup the owner of the shop I get my work done at would have slapped the $hit out of me........ get in touch with lonnies performance and pick up a racetronix dual intank pump setup, then ****** up some ls2 rails,42# green tops, 1 7/8" LT's, yank the maf off THEN get it tuned and report back. and Also please keep in mind that your setup wont produce the kind of numbers you see coming out of 6 speed cars. If you decide to do the above and aren't satisfied with your numbers at that point: you know you are only a cam swap away from attaining the numbers you DO want... But right now your setup is lacking in certain areas (to achieve the numbers you we're throwing around)
Good luck with this and keep us posted......
My L92/L76 408 should be done in the nexr couple of days.... then I just have to break in the motor.
Damian
Good luck with this and keep us posted......
My L92/L76 408 should be done in the nexr couple of days.... then I just have to break in the motor.
Damian