Definitions of hypocrite on the Web:

a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives
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Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning small, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself.
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I apologize for the directness, but where is ET in all of this??

 

99Fbody99

Specificity and truth in dislosure vs hprocrite as it applies to who, you or ?

Who are you implicating?

I challenge the verasicity on the 9000 plus rpm fanasty motor.

 

Z06,
What we did was analyze the strengths or weakness of our competitors block's features. Then we went to work with a clean sheet of paper to create our own block. We used our own numerous years of circle track and drag racing experience to determine some of the path we took. Other logical decisions were made based upon general intelligence. For example, if your cylinder walls are ballooning under power, your wall thickness is probably insufficient. Solution add more wall stock. No rocket science there. The other guys block doesn't have a priority main oil circut. Ours does because we know that it is a superior feature. The complete block was gone thru in this manner. Other things like retro mounting bosses were added because we thought they should be there. 6 cylinder head bolts, because under extreme boost people were spitting out their head gaskets. We have added additional head bolts on other platforms (the dreaded blue oval) and we along with others think this is a great feature. I could go on but I'm tired!
The link to the ET thread was given within the first 10 or 15 posts on this thread.

To Buy American, we have refused to release this product before we were ready. We decided it was more important not to release something that was not a good, quality and ruggedly durable piece, than to appease a few with making a delivery promise with a substandard product. I'd rather fall on my face because I failed to make a promised delivery than because I failed to produce a quality product. And that is what this block is, "quality".

As for the hypocrite comment, I'm not sure I know what that is in reference to or care to find out. We are here on this thread showing the results of one of our customers using one of our products. We sold a block. They are using it. We think its great. So far we have nothing but compliments from them. We think thats great too.

To those of you who have made genuine inqueries thanks! If I haven't adequatly answered your questions about our block, post them again, but realize I probably won't see the screen again until monday! Have a nice weekend!

 

Im deffinatly going to get one of these. I have been reading posts on this block for months now and im glad they are taking there time to make sure everything is perfect.

 

I appreciate the answers.
I will look forward to watching this further and I would rather be consumer when it is ready. In other words, I understand.
I have not the slightest idea what the comment was about, who this individual is or what their motive is.

 

As posted earlier, Cary's post is on LS1-6.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/620482-preliminary-warhawk-etp-canted-valve-results.html

 

Thank you Warhawk. We appreciate your prompt, professional and courteous response.

Cary from ET, as best as you can, could you please address of the specifics related to the information you provided Warhawk?

 

I've seen 4.125 stroke engine turn 9000+ and make peak power at 8200 with only one carb. Matt Jones's Kuntz and Co. NA 458 incher made around 950 hp and ran 8.5xs at 160+ mph in a 3300 pound car and has won several Street Bandit FFW championships.

 

Piston speed is not a good way to predict load on the rotating parts at all.

Piston speed is RPM times Stroke.

The forces on the pistons are related to the RPM way more than the stroke.

The real loads are based on SQUARE of the RPM and the Stroke and of course the masses involved.

I can make an engine with the same piston speed with more stroke and less rpm and take loads OFF the pistons and rotating assembly by stroking an engine and lowering peak RPM.

In fact I can make an engine with more power and more piston speed still with less load on parts with more stroke and less rpm and it's done everyday because it's the way sensible engineers do things.

Of course 9000 RPM AND 4+ inches of stroke is going to make some major loads and isn't a 24 hr. endurance setup but it works fine for drag racing.

 

Also In case you guys didn't know Cary at ET has been involved in several IHRA and NHRA Pro-Stock engine programs including the IHRA where they turn 5.6+ inch strokes 8000 rpm and make 1700 HP with crazy "bad" rod ratios and circus act cylinder heads. They have rockers bigger than some LS1tech members~!

I don't think turning over 9000 with a 4.125 stroke is really that crazy. Now 1200 hp is crazy! That would have to be a record of some kind for sure but it should easily hit over a 1000 I would think and maybe even over 1100 with some big EFI induction.

 

good information.

 

Thanks Erik for sheading some light, we can always count on you to know the things that alot of people don't want to admit to Kudos to you

 

Cary is on vacation in Florida, so I'll try to clear up a few misunderstandings about our Project 440 Warhawk-based gen3 engine. First, our plan was to build an engine that would showcase a number of new hardcore racing parts for these engines and their potential. We did not, however, set out to make 1200 hp n/a. With the tunnel ram setup we hope to see in excess of 1050 hp at over 9000 rpm because we feel that that will allow us to make roughly 1000 with a new single four barrel setup we are developing. While we realize this may seem a lofty goal,it is certainly not unprecedented. As some have already stated here, engines with other names on the valve covers have already done what we're doing, so the only barrier being broken here is the one surrounding the gen3 engines. While I can appreciate Jason's position regarding the types of engines Katech typically builds, there are other forms of motorsports which allow engine building techniques and practices that he claims will never work. I have already built a number of gen3 engines with admittedly (slightly) less stroke and heavier components that regularly run in excess of 9000 rpm at far greater (boosted) horsepower levels. We see from our dyno results a lot more potential in this project; regrettably, it is a project that is barely 6 weeks old start to finish using a number of parts that have never seen the light of day before this. We are by no means finished with this engine as Cary said in his post, and we will keep you all informed as we go, as this is an unabashed attempt to sell parts to as many of you as possible. This engine is pushing the limits of gen3 engine architecture into areas only possible with parts being developed by the companies involved in this build, and revolves around this block. Eric vonHentschel R&D specialist,ET Performance

 

This seems to be turning into a "muscle flexing" competition. I think we just need to stay with facts and steer away fromall this speculation. Why don't we just wait and see what the results are rather than speculating?

 

I'm almost sorry I brought up this piston speed debate. Now, I know there are exceptions out there, but coming from the world of Le Mans racing, these numbers are astronomical. When I mentioned these numbers to the president and technical director of Katech his reaction was similar to mine. He is the founder of Katech with nearly 30 years of road racing experience with Katech and before that with McLaren. I hold his technical opinion in the highest regard and consider him one of the brightest minds in race engine design today.

 

I haven't been following much on these blocks....so what is the pricing going to be?

Thanks

 

Pricing of the Warhawk block can be found at www.theengineshop.com.

 

No, it was intended for "BuyAmerican". He is quite a character to say the least. His post was very hypocritcal as he led many members on for over 1 year with enuendo and BS. Hell, I even heard he says he pulls the front wheels up in third gear on the street on a street tire.

Dave

 

The engine is badass. Now they need to run it for a full season of racing at Milan and see if it will be a winner. I think it has potential in the right car.