Sponsors?? Has someone test flowed the L76 intake??
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Originally Posted by 76TALS1
Here is another link with flow numbers. The L76 intake will flow over 320cfm
if your heads flow 360cfm. www.they need to become a sponsor.com
Tony
if your heads flow 360cfm. www.they need to become a sponsor.com
Tony
L92 - This new casting is designed for engine sizes of 6.2 Liters and larger. The larger stock intake/exhaust valve size, larger runner volume and larger combustion chamber does not lend itself well to smaller cubic inches engines or bore sizes for street utilization. In stock form, this head would create the characteristic dip in the normal lower torque curve as seen in many larger valve/runner heads used for a smaller cubic inch application. However, if the goal would be to maximize mid range and top end power with sacrificed low end torque, then this head could be considered for performance applications.
These heads are currently sold as new GM castings which are further CNC modified per the customers needs. L92 heads can be modified in several ways. Valve sizing can go up or down. A smaller intake valve and exhaust valve would be more appropriate for engine sizes less than 6.2 Liters. The downside to this head, as well as the LS7 head, is the poor exhaust port. Regardless of the combination, the I/E ratios can be significantly improved. The intake and exhaust ports can both be modified to surpass the LS7 stock ports. The combustion chambers can be CNC machined or left alone depending on application. It should be noted that in the stock form the L92 has more average flow than the LS7 under .600 lift.
GM L92 Stock Port
260CC runners
V= 2.16 1.59
S/I= Max Flow through Stock head with L76 Stock Intake. 91%
S/E= Max Flow through LS2 Stock Exhaust
Lift I E E/I S/I
.200 160 128 80%
.300 226 170 75%
.400 277 209 75%
.500 319 225 71% 289
.550 332 227 68% 299
.600 340 231 68% 306
.650 340 235 69% 311 (S/I= Max Flow through Stock head with L76 Stock Intake. 91%
AVG 285 203 71%
and just for comparison only: (WHY WOULD YA WANNA START WITH A LS6 HEAD??)
Stock 4.8/5.3L Stock 5.7L
CCCC= 62 67
RCC= 200 70 200 70
V= 1.89 1.55 2.0 1.57
Lift I E E/I I E E/I
.200 128 93 73% 122 97 74%
.300 179 121 68% 178 133 75%
.400 210 145 69% 215 156 73%
.500 218 163 75% 219 170 78%
.550 221 168 76% 223 176 79%
.600 226 174 77% 227 180 79%
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BTW, manifolds knock down flow by a certain amount with slight variance due to the intake charge draw, not down to a specific level. For example, a heavily ported FAST may knock down flow by around 25cfm, a stock one would be closer to 35cfm. So on a 360cfm head, you'll still see 335cfm or so overall. It won't knock down flow to 280 or 290, unless the head was only flowing 310-320 at the start.
Same thing applies to the L92/L76. If it's knocking down flow 25-30cfm, then subtract that from the ported 360+ levels and you'll see how much power you can get. Unfortunately, there are only a couple of cathedral port heads that can flow 350+, so with a ported L76, you might be able to get that flow delta closer to 20-25cfm and make better power with the L92/L76 combo. Anything better than 20cfm and you'll need a ported Victor or a sheetmetal intake.
But in comparison, most cathedral port heads have better I/E ratios and therefore can run larger cams without adding excessively to the overlap caused by large splits required to overcome poor I/E ratios. With that said, if an ETP/FAST90 combo can see 320-330cfm with more intake duration, of course it will make more power than a 310-320cfm L92/L76 combo with less intake duration.
Same thing applies to the L92/L76. If it's knocking down flow 25-30cfm, then subtract that from the ported 360+ levels and you'll see how much power you can get. Unfortunately, there are only a couple of cathedral port heads that can flow 350+, so with a ported L76, you might be able to get that flow delta closer to 20-25cfm and make better power with the L92/L76 combo. Anything better than 20cfm and you'll need a ported Victor or a sheetmetal intake.
But in comparison, most cathedral port heads have better I/E ratios and therefore can run larger cams without adding excessively to the overlap caused by large splits required to overcome poor I/E ratios. With that said, if an ETP/FAST90 combo can see 320-330cfm with more intake duration, of course it will make more power than a 310-320cfm L92/L76 combo with less intake duration.
Last edited by JakeFusion; 02-09-2007 at 01:12 PM.
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Originally Posted by 427
Have you run the "carb" style intake that GM has? Is it even released?
I have been running some engine dyno testing with the L92 heads and they are very good for the money, but we are getting some high vac in the intake at high rpm. I am going to run a ported set today.
Kurt
I have been running some engine dyno testing with the L92 heads and they are very good for the money, but we are getting some high vac in the intake at high rpm. I am going to run a ported set today.
Kurt
Richard
#24
Originally Posted by Mr.MartyStone
I believe in another post Richard had, he flowed a ported 90/90 and AFR setup against a stock L92/L76 and it outflowed the 90/90 stuff by about 10 cfm at .500, and kept going up from there as the 90/90 setup stopped flowing around 288 cfm and went static.
Marty
Marty
#25
Originally Posted by Richard@WCCH
I thought I remembered posting that comparison. Read post #16 in the link I put up. I'll get some ported L92/L76 head/intake data posted up real soon. Patrick makes a very good point about upgrading to the L92's from aftermarket big breathing heads with FAST 90 intakes. The L92's really need some intake manifold manufacturers to get off their asses and build some suitable intakes for high power, high rpm engines. Waiting 5 or 6 years after the heads are out is a bit slow IMO.
Richard
Richard
#26
Originally Posted by 427
Have you run the "carb" style intake that GM has? Is it even released?
I have been running some engine dyno testing with the L92 heads and they are very good for the money, but we are getting some high vac in the intake at high rpm. I am going to run a ported set today.
Kurt
I have been running some engine dyno testing with the L92 heads and they are very good for the money, but we are getting some high vac in the intake at high rpm. I am going to run a ported set today.
Kurt
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Why dosen't someone just flow the L76 intake by itself to see it's full potential? By this, I mean, no head, intake only. Then you'll know it's max potential.
I asked for that.... I even offered to loan my intake to someone to test!!!
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Originally Posted by V6 Bird
With some creative work, there are intakes already out that can be used for it. It pertains to Nascar stuff if that helps.
Richard
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Why dosen't someone just flow the L76 intake by itself to see it's full potential? By this, I mean, no head, intake only. Then you'll know it's max potential.
Richard
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Originally Posted by Richard@WCCH
I think most guys can't justify the time spent fixturing and testing a part that has little room to modify. If reshaping/resizing the runners of the plastic intakes were easy there would be a whole industry devoted to it.
Richard
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Originally Posted by Forteen3GT
I asked for that.... I even offered to loan my intake to someone to test!!!
Just got a PM back from Greg G. down in Houston... he offered to flow test my L76 on his unbiased bench..... Hopefully will have results in less than a couple weeks...!!!
maybe he will flow the heads with the intake and see what the difference is??
Might as well contribute to the knowledge.
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L76 Max Flow
Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Why dosen't someone just flow the L76 intake by itself to see it's full potential? By this, I mean, no head, intake only. Then you'll know it's max potential.
Max flow is around 380CFM.
Max potential on head is around 345CFM.
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Guys.... you really can't generalize that a intake will knock a certain CFM off of a head. If a head flows 370cfm with a intake on it could flow less than a head that moves 320cfm once the intake is on.
Bret
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