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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 05:17 AM
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Default 427ci vs 440ci LS7

Being priced the same as long block by some vendors, I would like to get opinions about which do you prefer for all out, NA, FI or Nitrous use. Which will be more reliable?
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 06:26 AM
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I voted 440ci because I like the promise of more cubes, although for a FI build a 427 may be a bit better suited with the smaller 4.00 stroke.

440 gets my vote...
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
I voted 440ci because I like the promise of more cubes, although for a FI build a 427 may be a bit better suited with the smaller 4.00 stroke.

440 gets my vote...
Why is smaller crank better for FI?

I know that bigger cubes create greater backpressure problem for the turbo/s.

Edited to clarify.

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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 06:49 AM
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Longer stroke can alter wrist pin placement which in turn alters ring placement or available thickness.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 08:09 AM
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Either engine will generate plenty of exhaust gas volume for your turbocharger.
The shorter stroke will make for a thicker upper ringland. It will also theoretically increase sideloads on the piston skirts, which will shorten engine life. However I doubt you would use either engine for 100K+ miles anyway.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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NA the stroke is fine as long as the builder is not in the "learn" mode.

4.125 "squared" is well within the liners of a LS7 block and requires no boring or excessive clearancing. They make > 550 square rw hp/tq. We do those.

For FI I think I would go iron block.

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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Longer stroke can alter wrist pin placement which in turn alters ring placement or available thickness.

And an experienced or master builder knows hot to deal with that. What says you have to use the same rod?
IF your going n/a the 4.10 is fine.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:14 AM
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Then if stroke isn't the best for FI then why does everyone go big stroke
instead of just going big bore. I think a 387cid all bore will out do a 408 stroker
both running the same boost since the 387 with spin up faster. If the engine builder
knows what he's doing you can FI any motor. Dragsters are huge stroke and they are all
blown. But some of the best performing FI cars on this site are 347 forged motors like KP.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackNiteWS6
Then if stroke isn't the best for FI then why does everyone go big stroke
instead of just going big bore. I think a 387cid all bore will out do a 408 stroker
both running the same boost since the 387 with spin up faster. If the engine builder
knows what he's doing you can FI any motor. Dragsters are huge stroke and they are all
blown. But some of the best performing FI cars on this site are 347 forged motors like KP.
The 370 is really popular as well.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackNiteWS6
Then if stroke isn't the best for FI then why does everyone go big stroke
instead of just going big bore. I think a 387cid all bore will out do a 408 stroker
both running the same boost since the 387 with spin up faster. If the engine builder
knows what he's doing you can FI any motor. Dragsters are huge stroke and they are all
blown. But some of the best performing FI cars on this site are 347 forged motors like KP.
True, I guess no one mentioned longevity.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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My thought is that it's a cost thing. If your putting the money into the power add and top end then you dont have it or need it for the crank and cylinder case ?

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No replacement for displacement! Go Big baby!!
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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LS7 block with 4.1" stroke, 438 cubes. Plenty of cylinder wall for piston stability with the high pin. Might as well get as many cubes as possible - this is what I'm building. There may be a small difference in the acceleration speed but it won't be much and valvetrain will probably be the rev limiting factor anyway.
If you're planning on some major spray or boost, either an LSX or Warhawk and pick the stroke and bore accordingly. One other thing to consider - rumor has it that there will be a raised cam/tall deck LSX block available that'll go to 500 cubes. I'd expect cylinder walls to be longer to handle all that stroke. Hell, yeah!!!!

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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
And an experienced or master builder knows hot to deal with that. What says you have to use the same rod?
IF your going n/a the 4.10 is fine.
Absolutely, and totally agree!

Shoot we are using the Wiseco 4.187" custom forged nitrous pistons, Childs & Albert Fire Power rings (.043" .043" 3mm) with N2O... I have faith in our builder!
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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I would call the sponsors that make the engines and ask there opinion. Most of the answers you are going to read and not from experience.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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440 Ftw
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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There's no replacement for displacement like everyone says. I love that down low end grunt that a higher displacement engine gives you. When I get ready for a new engine, I'm going to be looking at the LSX 454 engine. I want some cooking down low torque and still want it to be my bi-weekly/daily driver!
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
The 370 is really popular as well.
Blanco,
True i like the 370. I ran the numbers on a engine building program and the 370 was a great motor and showed potential. someday i wanna try either a
387 all bore with 12lbs, or go crazy with 427 or 454 with low boost mostly cause those motor sizes are classic chevy size motors

Den
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 02:04 AM
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Thats cool. I think we have someone here doing a 455 for the same reason. Old School big block cubes in a small block. Love it!
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personally I was looking at the 440 as well, I currently have a 427 and its almost too much hahaha but as soon as I can get a tall deck warhawk sourced I am going for a 472 or a humble "little" 500 cubic in small block that would be righteous!!!!!
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