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2014 LT1/Gen 5 engine development well underway at Livernois Motorsports

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Old 07-08-2013, 08:56 AM
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Looks like they went from 355hp to 380 and 383tq to 416 on the 5.3 with 87 vs e85. I would imagine if you would get similar gains on the 6.2 you'll be around 450hp on e85 with the truck engine and 480-490hp with the vette. Also it looks like the l-83 5.3 heads will be an awesome option for a gen 3/4 small bore engine with its 57~cc chamber and 248cc intake. Looks like some sweet stuff comming to the hotrod community!
You would need to use direct injection on the Gen 3/4 engines in order to make these heads work. -Chris
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Any way to flow the injectors or find out where they will max out?
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
You would need to use direct injection on the Gen 3/4 engines in order to make these heads work. -Chris
I was thinking maybe someone would make an intake to utilize the factory style gen 3/4 fuel system.
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The injector sprays directly into the combustion chamber. If you adapted a manifold and injectors to convert to a gen3/4 system you would still have to find a way to plug the hole in the head. Basically no, you can't convert it. You could maybe add to it with a dual stage fuel system.
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Originally Posted by Unreal
The injector sprays directly into the combustion chamber. If you adapted a manifold and injectors to convert to a gen3/4 system you would still have to find a way to plug the hole in the head. Basically no, you can't convert it. You could maybe add to it with a dual stage fuel system.
Right. I understand the placement of the injector in a DI engine. I didn't realize how difficult it was to plug the hole though.. I was just looking ahead to when these start showing up in junkyards and become dirt cheap like the factory gen 3/4 parts are that someone will make these work.
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
You would need to use direct injection on the Gen 3/4 engines in order to make these heads work. -Chris
SOME of us would LOVE to.. hint hint.

2 issues: can the heads bolt up with minor machining of them and how could the pump be retrofitted?
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Originally Posted by Unreal
Any way to flow the injectors or find out where they will max out?
2175 psi at the injector. I don't think you will have to worry about replacing the injector, just supplying it enough fuel.
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Originally Posted by Unreal
The injector sprays directly into the combustion chamber. If you adapted a manifold and injectors to convert to a gen3/4 system you would still have to find a way to plug the hole in the head. Basically no, you can't convert it. You could maybe add to it with a dual stage fuel system.
It really wouldn't be a big deal to plug the holes in the head.
You could:
Weld the holes shut
Tap them for threads, and screw a plug in.
Make a dummy injector that uses the factory seals and retaining hardware to plug the hole.
Hell, if you are getting them from a junk yard just leave the stock injectors there to plug the hole.
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Originally Posted by snowman47
Looks like they went from 355hp to 380 and 383tq to 416 on the 5.3 with 87 vs e85. I would imagine if you would get similar gains on the 6.2 you'll be around 450hp on e85 with the truck engine and 480-490hp with the vette. Also it looks like the l-83 5.3 heads will be an awesome option for a gen 3/4 small bore engine with its 57~cc chamber and 248cc intake. Looks like some sweet stuff comming to the hotrod community!
The vette doesn't come with a secondary e85 tune from the factory like the trucks do so it would have to have a tune.
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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
SOME of us would LOVE to.. hint hint.

2 issues: can the heads bolt up with minor machining of them and how could the pump be retrofitted?
Trust us when we say its not budget friendly to do such a conversion.... But if you really want to spend that much money we would be glad to make it happen for you! -Chris
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Originally Posted by GMCHammer
2175 psi at the injector. I don't think you will have to worry about replacing the injector, just supplying it enough fuel.
The hole is only so big, and it is spraying against cylinder pressure. Just wondering where they will max out. I need to make 1000rwhp so I'm wondering if the stock injectors will have an issue with that, or if it is just a matter of supplying enough fuel to them.
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If you don't mind me asking what software you all using for these Gen V?
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
Trust us when we say its not budget friendly to do such a conversion.... But if you really want to spend that much money we would be glad to make it happen for you! -Chris
the parts themselves will be expensive for awhile until take offs are plentiful, machine work to fit the heads on the older generation (are the bolt holes completely different positions?), the conundrum of mounting the high pressure pump or somehow using an electric high pressure pump like diesels do..

how were you thinking of dealing with the high pressure pump? that and.. will the LTx series camshafts work in an LSx series block (given LTx heads are used)? sorry about the 20 questions

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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
using an electric high pressure pump like diesels do..
last I knew diesels still use a mechanically driven pump (usually gear driven from the crank shaft)

bosch cp3 pump:


bosch cp4 pump:
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little-known fact:

direct injection heads are more restrictive than PFI heads. They trade flow for combustion performance. I've discussed this in other threads. Even if you didn't have all the fitment issues, putting a Gen V head on an earlier engine would be an uphill climb at best.
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Originally Posted by Krom
last I knew diesels still use a mechanically driven pump (usually gear driven from the crank shaft)

bosch cp3 pump:


bosch cp4 pump:
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huh, i always thought they had an electric version..
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why would anyone want to put those heads on a lsx, just save yourself BS and just use an entire LT
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Exactly. Plus there are better flowing heads already available for the LS platform. Why not just do some trickflows.


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