Aussie Ford Falcon
Staging Lane
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From: australia
That cant be right otherwise those clubbys & R8s etc that have 307kws on the back of them would have got their jump in power from just the changing to DIN rating and I am sure a little more was done than that right? Or just another way Aussie Ford and Holden rob their customers with their overpriced and overweight bush cars.
HSVs and FPVs should never be ZO6 money and XR8s and SS should never be GT500 money! I dont know how the dealers look their loyal customers in the face.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!
HSVs and FPVs should never be ZO6 money and XR8s and SS should never be GT500 money! I dont know how the dealers look their loyal customers in the face.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask!
On The Tree
Joined: Oct 2007
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You would be surpised to what extent they go through,to counter monopolise
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.
There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.
There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those
Last edited by oz304; Nov 10, 2007 at 01:27 PM.
Staging Lane
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 81
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From: australia
You would be surpised to what extent they go through,to counter monopolise
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.
There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those
the sale,for instance if you want to buy a brand new ve and you want to have the nice beige leather interior,you cannot option that priviledge with any car except the ssv calais or statesman.
There was an independant dyno test between the 307 kw hsv
and 270kw ss commodore which saw the hsv attain a corrected and adjusted
298 kw compared to the ss commodores 293 kw engines output(which kw i cant say,however the direct comparison results have indeed quatified my suspicion going back many years from the time the vn commodore range was released back in the very late 80s about the hsv enhanced optioned engines
which till this day are proven to be a gimmick concept which promoted
the concept of more power to the wealthier community.
crudes as it is the concept works in sales promotions,you want the 400hp car
with the goodies then you must buy the hsv.
personally I prefer the ve ss over the top of the range hsv anyway.
+ for the brand new price tag $46,500 + xtras it remains virtually unchanged since 1995,but the hsvs are over $72k+ xtras au so assuming a rounded off
on road cost approx 25k difference in the price tag why are we paying 25k
more
unless i'm mistaken couldn't one buy a brand new f100 for under 20kus?
i like one of those
i would never buy an ls2 knowing the ls3 is coming
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From: Louisiana, USA
The LS1 cars with true dual exhaust configs that I've seen in person can easily trump a well exhausted Mod motor in the sound department.
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I had a BA XR8 Falcon manual with Lts,cats removed,high flow exhausts,K&N,power pipe and piggy back and it was about 240kws at the wheels on the dyno tourqe was about 650nms though so it was real fun to drive and sounded great. I raced a lot of different cars in that thing and only really lost to a few.In some ways I really miss that car.
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From: CHITOWN
For the people who have a brain
the reason why our cars dont sound as nice as the mustang is because we have a y pipe setup
and they run true dauls, my camaro sounded great with my true dauls dumped
the reason why our cars dont sound as nice as the mustang is because we have a y pipe setup
and they run true dauls, my camaro sounded great with my true dauls dumped
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Verdad Gallardo TECH Junkie
Joined: Nov 2003
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From: CHITOWN
Piggy backs in the states is like a low tech tuning device
And there NA mod motors are much better than ours
Aussie guys
The MOD ford motor in the states is known to be a lower out put engine, and kinda a POS when it comes to making NA hp like a Push rod can.
And there NA mod motors are much better than ours
Aussie guys
The MOD ford motor in the states is known to be a lower out put engine, and kinda a POS when it comes to making NA hp like a Push rod can.
TECH Enthusiast
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From: Louisiana, USA
There are NA 3V 4.6 Mustangs running low 12's no problem. That might not impress you OHV guys any, but thats not bad for no power adder on a sub 26K car.
Last edited by ThisBlood147; Nov 24, 2007 at 02:55 PM.
TECH Enthusiast
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From: Katherine N.T Australia
The Y pipes are not the whole issue. Mine stock has duals front to back. The Fords just sound so much tuffer. No 4.6's for us. All are 5.4 with 99% of them being the quad cam variety. Similar to the Cobra R motor but the heads used in the Aussie cars were improved from the original design.
TECH Junkie
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From: CHITOWN
Meh
Push Rods still go faster
Ford push rods, mopars,chevys etc blah blah
Staging Lane
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From: australia
i actually test drove a ba xr8 ute and a te50 tonight for ***** and giggles. not impressed at all. drove the te50 first which was a 5spd manual and the thing was a slug, the shifter was almost as bad as the shifter in my mums honda civic gli 
thought i was going to brake it. clutch was crap, interior was crap. the xr was better but far from inspiring, it just felt big and heavy. if you want a fast ford get a xr6 turbo because the 8's are *****
thought i was going to brake it. clutch was crap, interior was crap. the xr was better but far from inspiring, it just felt big and heavy. if you want a fast ford get a xr6 turbo because the 8's are ***** 
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From: Shreveport,Louisiana
Fords just sound better ! The Y pipes are not the whole issue. Mine stock has duals front to back. The Fords just sound so much tuffer. No 4.6's for us. All are 5.4 with 99% of them being the quad cam variety. Similar to the Cobra R motor but the heads used in the Aussie cars were improved from the original design.
Staging Lane
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From: australia
X2 . Exactly ! When Ford came out with their paltry little 4.6 ltr engine & the 5.4 V8 both with single & double overhead cammed I figured , well , so much for a really good sounding Ford V8 . No way these new engines would ever sound as good as their old pushrod motors. But to my amazement these new from scratch engines sounded just as good if not better. Fords have always cost more to make them run with Chevy's , but they still sound way better.
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From: Louisiana, USA
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From: Auckland, Nth Is, New Zealand.
None of you guys ever think that just MAYBE the fords sound better is, cause of the Quad cam setup!!!! Listen to any Jap or Euro etc Quad cam car and they all sound nice.
Any of you guys ever heard the Quad cam Chev small block? what Quad cam Chev you say!
The early ZR1 32v Quad cam, now thats music lol.
Any of you guys ever heard the Quad cam Chev small block? what Quad cam Chev you say!
The early ZR1 32v Quad cam, now thats music lol.
11 Second Club
Joined: May 2007
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From: Sydney
Fords have had some very nice sounding motors IMHO.
The 351 cleveland sounded fantastic, there is nothing nicer sounding on the road than an angry clevo.
The 5.4 OHC cam motors sound nice when they are leant on hard as well for different reasons I suspect.
I prefer the Chev product overall but am happy to give credit where it's due.
cheers
The 351 cleveland sounded fantastic, there is nothing nicer sounding on the road than an angry clevo.
The 5.4 OHC cam motors sound nice when they are leant on hard as well for different reasons I suspect.
I prefer the Chev product overall but am happy to give credit where it's due.
cheers
