Pro Stock John

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Eric I am going to email the questions, comments and suggestion around to the rules committee so I imagine that we'll have some feedback later this week.

Pro Stock John

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UPDATE--

The drag racing rules committee has had a chance to review the questions and suggestions and changes and corrections will be posted shortly.

Eric, billet blocks will not be allowed in Outlaw Radial for various reasons. If you are interested in racing this class or others like it I would suggest that you migrate over to other allowed blocks.

Two steps should be allowed in the index and bracket classes so I expect that they'll show up as allowed when the rules are revised.

Tires: Revisions will be made to reflect comments and further research made by members of the rules committee.

John, (JR Cruzin), whatever the rules are for allowed blowers will stand, no changes are expected. The F1R is a 7-second capable blower and so it is now lumped in equally with other blowers that would not have the same capability to make so much power. I'd say if you see classes that you are interested in running that allow the F1C or F1A, I'd talk to Dan Bills and look into getting another blower... I know some folks who routinely run two different blowers or turbos to run different classes.

I don't know when the revisions and corrections will be posted, maybe Robin or Monte knows.

Thanks,

John Ryan

JR-CRUZN-C5

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Guys - I just want to let you know that an F1R Blower in a 3600+ pound IRS Corvette is NOT even close to a 7 second car. My car is the quickest ProCharged Street Legal IRS C5 around and runs 9.20's at 18lbs of boost with the best tuner in the country. I may squeeze this car into the mid to high 8's this year with some luck. ProCharger came through and offered me any qualifying blower I need in exchange for my F1R. I met with Dan Bills today and we decided to LEAVE MY SETUP AS IS!! which obviously means I will not be running any of your "heads up" classes.

So I am not going to run in your index events where I have to run against 10 to 13 second cars on a sportsman or .500 pro tree (boring). It is not the type of racing I will spend $1,000 to $1,500 any more to race in. The indexes in my area are 9.50 cars run 9.50 cars (and so on) heads up on a .400 pro tree so its run what you brung. I finished #6 in points in my IMSM class against 28 cars of all types last year without a transbrake which I WILL HAVE this year.

I will run Open Comp at NMCA events if I go to any which at this time looks doubtful

JR

ericg69ss

John,

Thanks for the update and I'm not changing my set up. The similar Outlaw Radial class out here allows me to run my block and its too late to change anyways. I guess I can run "Unlimited" since there are not restrictions there. We'll see if my car is ready by then but I'm not driving 2,000 miles or whatever it is unless I can be competitive. Time will tell. Thanks.

Pro Stock John

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Thanks guys.

JR, as you may or may not know, I'm a huge fan of your car ever since I saw it up at Alston getting a roll cage. For a class like the 275/28x10.5 deal, there are folks on the rules committee who have for more experience making all the different combinations equally competitive. I think you probably already know given your relationship with Dan that the F1R is capable of running 7's and very low 8's. When folks look at a potential combo, they look not at what a car is doing but also what that combo would do in the hands of someone competing in a series. As as you know the F1R is rated by ProCharger to make up to 1300 hp.

Have fun this summer guys!

John

JR-CRUZN-C5

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John - With all due respect Dan and I have been running this setup since 2004 and show me "anyone" in the country running an IRS, stock configured Vette running anywhere close to the sevens. Doug at East Coast Supercharging with a PG Vette basically a stripped down roadster is pobably the quickest with $3,000 of spindles so he can run 15" wheels still only runs 8.60's. Did you get that $3,000 for spindles, $6,000 for a glide setup, oh yeah and $2,000 for nonpower rack and pinion so he can run 8.60's. My C5 with an F1R, C5R 427, a 4L60E, and a C6 Z06 rearend runs 9.20's and maybe high 8's with a "brake". I dyno 850 RWHP which is about 1,000 motor and that's all we can get out of it. Sure put a "skinny" guy in the car and some racing seats and maybe this car would run 8.50's with a brake but maybe not, its still an IRS car. Any way I can't wait to see an IRS street configured Vette run 8.00's

Buy 4 Now

JR

Pro Stock John

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The argument you'll encounter is that that engine plus that blower, set up for max performance, would be able to run at least 8.40's at a lower raceweight. True you probably don't have your car pulleyed for huge power but the F1R I believe has gone high sevens in the Xtreme Street NMCA class, which I think means the raceweight was probably over 3300... Just an example.

I don't like it from a series perspective, I know you have streetable car that you won't gut and ruin to run 8.20's but it's ultimately hard to write rules that cover both.

JR-CRUZN-C5

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PSJ - I still don't understand why they just don't make the F1R weight 3550+ and not worry about it, Plus you did not address the difference in the "approved" blower list between NMCA & Holly, I still think they should match, thats why Dan Bills and I felt it was not worth having 3 blowers, 1 for NMCA Real Street ( 1 race, D1R), 1 for Holly (1 race P1SC), and 1 for 9 sec. HEADS UP index racing with a 3700 pound car (F1R)!!! I know your hands are "tied". NHRA Unleashed has the right idea, if they expand to more venues I'm sure there will be a BIG following!!!

JR

Pro Stock John

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I did suggest letting the F1R cars run heavy, but it did not pass committee.

JR-CRUZN-C5

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PSJ - Thanks for trying. I know your heart is in the right place. I am NOT trying to get an edge. On the contrary, Late Modle Vettes (I'm A Vette Guy) are at a hugh disadvantage over Fox Bodys and Cammaro's because of brakes size (can't run 15" wheels), weight, and the IRS. YOU know I have been racing my C5 in the general non-vette arenas as "street legal" for 10 years and have tried to be competitive with the great help of Dan Bills of Finish Line Performance, and Chuck Johnson of Finish Line Transmission, and Rodney (Rear Ends) of RPM Transmissions, without those guys my C5 would be religated to racing in bracket stuff in the 10 and 11 second levels. The spectators just love it when a C5 goes out and jumps all over a rompin stompin wheel stander.

JR

GrannySShifting

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How in the world can they allow XI vortechs and not F1Rs? That makes 0 sense, as the XI is at LEAST equal to a F1R

ATVracr

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From I have been reading the Xi may be a little better if anything.

GrannySShifting

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This guys a goon, but truth fo real

ATVracr

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So use the Xi stupid.

BAKED

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Damn, you guys agree on something? Holy ****!

supersean

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Do you have to pre-register or can you just show up and run?

Pro Stock John

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You can just show up and run if you like.

DMMizell

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John,
What would a 346(stock cube ls1) car need to weigh in the all motor class?

Dave

5.3LJimmy

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The base weight of 3000lbs is for 370ci and below. There is no break for engines smaller than a 370. You then add or subtract weight depending on your specific setup. ie: 3000lb for 346ci, -100 lbs for stock style intake, +125 for manual trans = 3025lb base weight.

LTZSS

Thanks for the clarification.
Just thought being a heads up 8.1 lb/cube class(3000/370) the original displacement ls1 could run at 2800. oh well.....