I find it interested that now all of a sudden your hard to get in contact with.

jason has more than once offered to replace your heads, let him do it.

all this annimosity against TSP and you still have them listed in your signature

 

What are you talking about? I put my phone number in the post for a reason. And for all of you that want to talk crap about me or question what I did then give me a call and we can discuss it fully..

Last night when he called me I was on the 2-way and it doesnt show you when someone is calling you when you are talkin on 2-way (Nextel).. So I didn't get his message until later on when I got off the 2-way and even when I got the message alert I had already arrived at a friends house so I didn't think it was the right time or place to start an hour long conversation. So I called TSP today and they were out for lunch.. Just called Jason's cell phone 3 times in the last 20 minutes and his phone is turned off or he is out of his service area. I left him a voicemail and he hasnt called back yet. So, there ya go!

And Yeah, Like I said.. TSP has always been good to me and treated me right and they are trying to do the right thing now. If you people would just let it die then it would do just that... The only reason this ever got out of hand is because of people throwing crap in my face and jumping my *** when they arent in my shoes and dont even know the full situation..

So, give it a rest and let us handle it..

 

this is my last post out of respect to the admins, and TSP no need to drag it on
if you wanted to be left alone so you two could work it out, you never should have posted on a public forum, especially with miss-construed information you have posted.

 

OH MY GOD!! I have already stated numerous amounts of times that I AM GOING TO RETURN THE FREAKIN HEADS!!! I DO NOT HAVE THE HEADS BACK FROM CALIFORNIA YET SO I CANT DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY ARE RETURNED TO ME!!!!!! Give it a rest already and learn to freakin read...

I left TSP in my sig because Jason has put forth effort to do what he can to correct this problem and apologized for the whole situation.. This got way out of hand and you people are only making it worse by dragging it on and on. I am going to give them another chance because thats what its all about. So, my sig stays as it is..

 

Like I said.. I originally posted to inform TSP and everyone else on this site about what happened. Everyone else does it with the parts that they get. So get over it.. And the ONLY "possibly" miscontrued info I have posted would be the cam mis-grinding and I was told that by a VERY credible source and friend of mine that has dealt with TSP for a very long time.

LET IT DIE... you all keep bitching and whining about TSP getting bashed but you keep on posting and keeping things going. If you guys would shut up so would I..

 

Still havent heard anything from TSP... I left a message on Jasons cell 2 days ago and still nothing..

 

Just called again and no answer... I left another message on his cell phone.. And you guys were saying that I was hard to get in contact with all of a sudden..

 

Ok, its update time...

I talked to Terry, Gomer, and Jason tonight... lol Terry was really helpful and he is pretty damn insistant that I try another set of the PRC 5.3's. Gomer is up for just about anything as usual but he wants me to try another set as well and just see what happens. Jason said its up to me if I want to go with another set then Terry can handle that and I can go that route or I can just get a refund and go with something else. I'm kinda torn between a set of AFR's now since I really dont have anything to lose but, Terry seems to think he can get me a great set of heads that will put down some kick *** numbers.. So, I've just got to think it over for a while and see what I come up with..

 

Matt it was good talking to you on the phone & going over a few things

Here's the offer I've made to Matt. Tony M. at AFR has offered him a set of 205 cylinder heads at dealer cost. I told Matt we will supply him a set of AFR 205 cylinder heads & a he can pick from ANY set of PRC 2.5 heads sitting at Racetech being finished. I will provide both sets of heads & get with Gomer on getting them both installed. We can then dyno test both cylinder heads next to each other. Matt can then have his pick of which cylinder heads he would like to keep & I'll take the other set back!!

So to sum it up, I'll provide both brand heads new unopened AFR's & his choice of PRC 2.5 5.3l heads. I'll also work out the install costs with Gomer for him to swap over to the second set of heads so we can get a accurate comparison.

Here's the deal guys, I don't go behind people's back & pm back & forth in a effort to hurt other people's business.. I know other cnc head companies were involved in the setting up of the original flowing of Matt's first heads. I don't want to get into that but I want those people to know I know whats been going on...

With the new system we've put into place I believe the PRC cylinder heads are the best option for stock cid engines. I'm not trying to bash anyone's products or go behind people's back in a attempt to discredit anyone.

My offer is very simple.. We compare 2 cylinder heads... I'll provide brand new sets of each head & pay the additional labor to swap over!!

It's a pretty hard deal to beat & it shows how confident I am that the PRC cylinder head will perform exactly the way we claim they will.

 

just don't let him pick my heads

 

As you can see, I don't post much on here, but I had to respond to this. Jason has made you a straight up deal, a side by side comparison of the two heads. He pays the extra labor expense and you get to pick what you feel is the best. What is there to think over and come up with? You had mention "shady" several times in your posts, now here is a test in front of the whole internet to see for themselves. What is the hold up?

It's kinda like someone giving you a million dollars and ask you if you want it in $50 bills, or $100 bills. What a hard decision, what difference does it make?

 

I am glad i chose to go with PRC heads. This shows how much Jason is confident in his products.

 

Think it over and see what you can come up with?????? He has offered either heads in exchange for your supposed bad heads. Sounds like an easy enough answer for me. The only problem i see is you have to a produce a set of heads back to jason, which you keep comming up with excuses not to send them back. If i were TSP ( and lucky for you i am not) i would want the bad heads first before i gave you anything. How do any of us know if you actually had PRC heads flowed, and your not just making stupid claims. I am interested to see what these heads flow once they get back to PRC.

I find it hard to believe that you took a look at the ports and suspected the couldn't flow as good as PRC claims. Next thought was i will send them cross country to have them flowed. There are 20+ speed shops closer then AFR, yet you send them AFR where you claim to have never talked to Tony previously. I could see you sending them there if you had done business with them in past or personal knew a few of the guys, but to send them AFR just becasue seems a little crazy. As a CNC port, i also find it hard to believe you got the only bad set out there to date. If someone else got a set of the same heads they would be bitching (like you) about them. But instead of that you seem to have gotten the only bad set. I say that because everyone else who bought them seems to love them and is supporting TSP. I don't have a set of the heads so i can't say for sure how great they are, but i can see from there supporters that they are a good flowing head, and for someone (Jason) to let you test there heads vs. AFR heads for everyone to see the results tells me he believes in his product.

Let me just sum this up. I don't believe a word of your story, and i find you of questionable character, questionable at best! If i am wrong i apologize, but i won't be satisfied until posts up the they were PRC heads, and they do not flow as good as they should.

 

This has got to be the best post I have read during this whole ordeal.. Hands down the most stupid bunch of crap I have EVER read.. This is it.. Screw all the bullshit so lets just put it all out on the table. You guys just keep on with your stupid idiotic crap and don't know when to quit! I'm not gonna have anyone on this freakin board question my character because my character is just fine. I am one of the most honest guys you could ever come across, but you dont know me so you can say what you want..

Here's the deal.. The heads I got ARE PRC HEADS! 100% NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I never said that I didnt think the heads would flow good.. I said "I saw some un-touched places in the chambers and didnt know if it was normal or not so I wanted a 2nd opinion.." And I knew about all the "out-sourcing" nonsense and it made me a little bit leary of the heads. So, I PM'd Tony cause he has the thread with all the flow tests he has done on other heads. He said he would test the heads for me so I sent them out there. So, whats the big deal?? If I had sent them to Thunder or TEA or Patriot I bet you guys would still have jumped my ***.. Patriot is a freakin hour form here but I didnt do that cause I figured that would be really bad since Terry is working on the PRC heads. I never really thought it was that big of a deal sending them to AFR. AFR is not a freakin whole in the wall company with a bunch of freakin no name rednecks working there.. Its a top notch company thats been doing heads for like 30 years with some of the best guys in the business working there. And Tony Mamo being one of the most respected guys in the industry. He has NO reason to lie or "taint" the numbers. And, if you think I'm full of **** why don't you call up Terry and ask him what he thinks about my set of heads. All of you want to keep pushing the subject and calling me a liar etc etc.. So, here you go. TERRY @ RACETECH SPEED told me these heads were NOT good. He also told me he has a set in his shop that IS NOT GOOD! Terry said he didnt do the work on my heads or the set thats at his shop right now, but that he is doing all of the work from here on out and it will all be top notch. That is exactly what he told me last night on the phone. If any of you think I'm still a liar I'd be more than happy to send you the PM stating that the heads I have aren't any good. There were 5 sets of the PRCs sent out to the same person.. My set was 1 of those 5. And one of the other sets is the set at Terrys shop right now that he said himself were not good heads... So, THERE ARE MORE SETS OF THESE HEADS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT GOOD HEADS!! I'm just one of the few lucky guys that had enough sense to have them flow tested before installation!!

And Jason, I did not tell you that AFR was gonna sell me the heads for "cost" or whatever. You asked me "so what kinda price did Tony give you?" and I said "he hasnt really given me a price yet, but he is gonna help me out and give me a decent deal on em"... Nothing More, Nothing Less. I told you that I would be interested in doing the head comparison and that I would talk to Gomer about it. I also told you to give me a couple of days to think about it and I'd get back with you. Well, I don't need any more time to think about it. I'm gonna go with AFR and thats it. The heads will be sent back to TSP next week. I'm waiting on it to arrive from AFR right now. Should be here tomorrow or Monday at the latest..

TSP has tried to help me out but what would you expect? Just about any company would do that when their product turned out to be total crap. But, all of the nutswingers on this board that have came on this thread and the other thread talking stupid crap about my "character" and what not has really turned these threads into meaningless BULLSHIT and has made things even worse...

I'm gonna have THE PRC's flow tested 1 more time here locally just for the hell of it.. And then I'm gonna post up the flow sheets so all of you can kiss my ***..

 

Why wouldnt you take Jason up on his offer? It costs you ZERO and you can get which ever puts down the better power #'s.

I dont get it.....

 

LOL, I'll take a wild guess at this. lol He got a really good deal from Tony on AFR 225 Heads This cat knows how to play his cards. lol Of course I could be wrong, and if so I am sorry for my comments.

 

"TSP has tried to help me out but what would you expect? Just about any company would do that when their product turned out to be total crap."

No, as a matter of fact they wouldn't. If you think so, then you've missed quite a bit! We don't provide excellent customer service because we're backed into a corner. We provide it because that is how we run our business! If you don't think so, then check other posts in the sponsor feedback section. You are looking to drag PRC and TSP through the mud, no matter how much slander is involved. We always encourage customers to call us with ANY questions or concerns, but you never even gave us that chance. You just wanted a big production.

I refuse to debate this into the ground anymore. At this point, we're just beating a dead horse. You wanting to pay $2,200 or whatever the price was from AFR for your heads doesn't make much sense when you could've dynoed the PRC's against the AFR's and kept whichever set you wanted with no additional charge to you. That further proves in my mind just how shady this ordeal has been. You talk about how there are other "bad" heads out there, but any results we've seen posted or had calls about have been nothing but great. We have tried EVERYTHING to take care of you, and none of it is good enough. I feel that you never had any intentions of running the PRC cylinder heads. You were simply looking to do damage to PRC and its reputation, and you had incentives to help give you a push. You talk about how we want to do the comparison to "kick AFR in the nuts", as you so eloquently put it, right after you tell everyone how bad your heads suck. If all of PRC's heads are so bad, why would you NOT want to do the comparison?

We will continue to wait for the infamous cylinder heads in question to arrive at our shop, and we will get you taken care of. This is what we posted nearly a week ago.

 

If I had to guess the head is going to arrive with some mysterious "shipping damage".

Matt has been an interesting character through this. At first I said, hell he didnt even buy the head through TSP it was horse traded for (Not that you didnt give equal value). That alone COULD have given TSP the chance to say sorry guy we have no idea where these heads went after they left us, but they didnt. Then he sounded like he wanted TSP to fix the problem.

TSP came on and said they would not only fix the problem they would go one better and offer to have an outside source that I sure could have been mutually agreed upon install the heads and he could have which ever he wanted. Hell if you "Couldnt be without the car for the time of the installs" I am sure TSP/AFR could have worked something to get a rental for you for a day or two.

Then all of a sudden he decides I dont want to do anything I am going AFR, no questions asked?????

I think, although Tony M. Hasnt posted in these threads, we can all see that he is actively involved in this behind the scenes. That is whaat make AFR suspect in my mind. He is obviously working an angle for some reason here.

The only reason I can see all the "behind the scenes" stuff is a simple reason. He is worried that the PRC heads are going to perform close to what the AFR's perform for a lot less money. Anyone who thinks that isnt "motive" and that it wouldnt effect his business is foolish and naive.

Honestly a lot of folks on here talk about getting every last HP but in reality there are a select few that are going that route. If my car can make 400RWHP and run 10.99@119 with a $1600 head or I can get a $2200 head that gets 408rwhp and runs 10.97@120 the choice is obvious if I am the "average" consumer.

Before any calls me a NUTSWINGER for TSP please realize I have AFR heads on my car. They are a custom head that TEA ported but the are still AFR.

 

Let me see if i have the facts correct:

1. Only you and Tony M have seen these heads and what they flow
2. For some reason you refuse to take Jason offer of " take the best of 2 AFR or PRC which ever is better, you instead take the AFR's From Tony for an undisclosed price
3. You can't send the heads to jason because Tony has a Kung Fu grip and doesn't want to send them back to you, or just hasn't for unknown reasons.
4 Other sponsors have stated they would flow heads and state there results, ( I believe Gunnar stated that)
5. This has all the makings of something shady, you can get pissed and tell us how honest you are, but i don't buy it. If i were you i would want this thing to die too, in my mind while trying to hurt TSP/ PRC which i assume are the same guys, you also did a bit of damage to the creditability of Tony M. I am not saying he has anything to do with it, but if the shoe fits, kick with it.

 

TSP is basically offering you a set of AFR's for $1500 (you even get a free tune) with you spending a day or two dynoing and installing a set of heads. So I'd say about 6 pulls and 2 days. I'm sorry but us "nutswingers" or stating obvious stuff. Half of us don't even own a set of ported heads. We see what's going on and use common sense. No matter which way you try and twist things YOU are the one being shady. You remind me of this stupid girl that got proved wrong and knew it. So she just said no matter what you say I'm going to believe what I want. Some people just can't stand to be wrong. You have a valid point in recieving "crappy" heads. But the way you are handling things and your unwillingness to cooperate with TSP just leads people to believe you are full of it. If PRC heads suck and aren't worth anything why are people buying them and why are you the only one complaining. You make it look like you are hired by AFR to ruin PRC. I wouldn't be suprised if AFR gave you a free set of heads by stirring up all this crap.