well anouther Patriot problem
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well anouther Patriot problem well i will frist say that since i bought my heads i havent been the happiest with the power. but i figure all cars diffrent. i got friends makeing just as much as me with same cam and bolt ons on stock heads as i was with stage 2 heads. i never talked bad about them or anything. and pushed there product to friends even.
i recently have had a problem with my heads. all the valves are mushrooming out and 2 of them the ends have broke off flush with the locks.
and before you all bash me sayign ot take it up with gunnar about it and he offered me to send them back and fix it all for free. but it was a 3 week wait and i cant wait that long as it is a daily driver for me. so i pulled the heads off
and desided to take them to a guy that works on heads and is very good around these parts. when he looked at them he said the valves should have never did what they did if set up right with good valves.
well i got a call from him this morning telling me what all he found .
here is what i ordered pp stage 2 heads sopose to have 2.02 intake and 1.57 valves. well my heads had 2.00in intake and 1.57ex not what im sopsoe to have and thats what im so mad about. and the valve gudies are all too lose. so all in all ill have a good abit back in these heads that should have been right frist time.
i know there alot of patriot guys on here that are happy and i was till i found out all this. and that i didnt get what i paided for back when i got my heads.
im sorry i wanted ot rant some.
i recently have had a problem with my heads. all the valves are mushrooming out and 2 of them the ends have broke off flush with the locks.
and before you all bash me sayign ot take it up with gunnar about it and he offered me to send them back and fix it all for free. but it was a 3 week wait and i cant wait that long as it is a daily driver for me. so i pulled the heads off
and desided to take them to a guy that works on heads and is very good around these parts. when he looked at them he said the valves should have never did what they did if set up right with good valves.
well i got a call from him this morning telling me what all he found .
here is what i ordered pp stage 2 heads sopose to have 2.02 intake and 1.57 valves. well my heads had 2.00in intake and 1.57ex not what im sopsoe to have and thats what im so mad about. and the valve gudies are all too lose. so all in all ill have a good abit back in these heads that should have been right frist time.
i know there alot of patriot guys on here that are happy and i was till i found out all this. and that i didnt get what i paided for back when i got my heads.
im sorry i wanted ot rant some.
sorry about your problems. Defective heads happen once in a while. At least Gunnar, offered to help you exchange those. Too bad you'd have to have your car down for 3 weeks....
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he offered to fix not replace. means a little but what is there not to say they whould be right then? as stated im ill about the valve sizeing the most. i dont have money comeing out my ears and can do head swaps every other week. i know they a cheap head but they should be made to last and put what is advertised in them. i know i whould nt make as much if i whould have gotten a TEA head or what not. this should have not happend. the head guy that working on them even said the valves should have not mushroomed like that did and break off on the ones that did
How old are these heads of yours?? I have heard of the valves doing this, but it was with their older valves/heads... A friend of mine had a few of his Patriot valves do this a few months back and it almost dropped a valve which would not have been good..
Gunnar will help you out somehow for sure... Maybe get him to send you some new valves that are the correct size and some new guides as well and have your local guy put them back together. Goodluck!
Gunnar will help you out somehow for sure... Maybe get him to send you some new valves that are the correct size and some new guides as well and have your local guy put them back together. Goodluck!
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they heads are a year and a half old. when i got them was after they had the valve problem. iv talked to gunner and he was a help and offered ot fix them. im jsut supset i didnt get what i paid for. and i rather pay the money out my pocket now and know there done right and have good Quilty valves in them. i can't affored to keep takeing apart the car as it is a daily driver. nor can i wait 3 weeks for patriot to fix. and me still wory about them.
i have never bashed them or had a bad taste about them untill i seen with my own eyes on my heads what crappy valves and 2.00in intake valve when it should have been 2.02
i have never bashed them or had a bad taste about them untill i seen with my own eyes on my heads what crappy valves and 2.00in intake valve when it should have been 2.02
These heads are a year and a half old. We offered to repair the heads, pay for all shipping, and send new head gaskets and bolts. We informed you of the wait time so that you would be completely aware of the possibility of down time. We will do our best to get them out ASAP. We feel it is best to give the maxium amount of time that repairs will take so that the customer is not left in the dark. This is a fair offer.
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your right gunnar you offer is fair. but can wait that long. i wanted to let other ppl know what i found never know some one with heads as old as mine may have wrong valves too. as i said haveing the wrong intake valve is what got me upset and then i posted ot vent
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are you sure who ever measured your valve measured it properly. ever since i have dealt with patriot (almost 2years i guess) i have never been able to get a 2.00 valve from them.
That's exactly what I told Eddie also Demon! I told him that I very much doubted that his heads could have a 2" valve in them. Apparently Gunnar decided to just tell him to take it up with me & that it's either my fault for P.O.ing them wrong, or it was Terry's fault... LOL!!
I have the P.O. which clearly show's a drop ship to Eddie. :-p I am going to fax Eddie a copy of the P.O. so he knows the truth.
I have the P.O. which clearly show's a drop ship to Eddie. :-p I am going to fax Eddie a copy of the P.O. so he knows the truth.
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Actually, I said that we have never used a 2.00" stainless valve. If it came with a stock 2.00" valve, it either had to be ordered that way or a mistake was made by former employees when the order was written up and processed. We have offered to help in this situation and this offer still stands.
Actually, you said we had to have ordered it that way or TERRY screwed it up. Either way I sent a copy of the P.O. to Eddie & I will refax a copy of it to you. No use trying to blame me, or Terry on this one. At some point he's going to get tired of you guys blaming every issue that you've ever had on him. I believe it's called slander...
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
Actually, you said we had to have ordered it that way or TERRY screwed it up. Either way I sent a copy of the P.O. to Eddie & I will refax a copy of it to you. No use trying to blame me, or Terry on this one. At some point he's going to get tired of you guys blaming every issue that you've ever had on him. I believe it's called slander...
As far as the problem he is having with his heads regaurdless of who's fault it was it needs to be fixed. Gunnar has done his part to make things right. Its not his fault that the mans car just so happens to be his daily driver. If it was my car, & something messed up & someone was willing to fix after almost 2 years, I dont think Id hesitate to be pulling the heads. Even if it was my daily driver. Its not hard to find alternate ways to work & etc. Plus if you want technical about it, he is wasting time right now when he could have had the heads off & on the way to patriot. How are you getting to work as we speak? Just a thought.
The valve size, im still debating on weather or not it is a 2.00 or a 2.02 It is very possible that it was mis measured, then again it is possible that it is a 2.00. Just let us know if someone else measures it.
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Actually its called "truth". He should be used to it by now. I mean hell, just about everyone who has ever delt with the man know he's full of it. He's constantly screwing somebody somehow. For example look the guy that bought a short block from Terry, the day he ordered it, it has been nothing but problems for him, & know he has to pull his motor again all because Terry couldnt manage to torque down an oil pan to the right specs. The man is a joke.
As far as the problem he is having with his heads regaurdless of who's fault it was it needs to be fixed. Gunnar has done his part to make things right. Its not his fault that the mans car just so happens to be his daily driver. If it was my car, & something messed up & someone was willing to fix after almost 2 years, I dont think Id hesitate to be pulling the heads. Even if it was my daily driver. Its not hard to find alternate ways to work & etc. Plus if you want technical about it, he is wasting time right now when he could have had the heads off & on the way to patriot. How are you getting to work as we speak? Just a thought.
The valve size, im still debating on weather or not it is a 2.00 or a 2.02 It is very possible that it was mis measured, then again it is possible that it is a 2.00. Just let us know if someone else measures it.
As far as the problem he is having with his heads regaurdless of who's fault it was it needs to be fixed. Gunnar has done his part to make things right. Its not his fault that the mans car just so happens to be his daily driver. If it was my car, & something messed up & someone was willing to fix after almost 2 years, I dont think Id hesitate to be pulling the heads. Even if it was my daily driver. Its not hard to find alternate ways to work & etc. Plus if you want technical about it, he is wasting time right now when he could have had the heads off & on the way to patriot. How are you getting to work as we speak? Just a thought.
The valve size, im still debating on weather or not it is a 2.00 or a 2.02 It is very possible that it was mis measured, then again it is possible that it is a 2.00. Just let us know if someone else measures it.
ok lets see here man I see where you coming from. and I clearly STATED that gunner offered to fix the heads witch is great a + in my book. but cant wait 3 plus weeks either.
and to you that says I should be pulling the heads and what not this was posted after I pulled the heads and done took them to a local guy that I trust very well and has had awesome results with lsx heads. when I dropped them off he pulled valve out and we both used the dial calipers on the intake valve and it was 2.00in, he ordered all new valves for me witch are manley ones 2.02. him and I all so messared the new manley valve and it came out to 2.02, that right there says it was wrong valve since day one I don't believe the valve shrank to a 2.00in valve. and on top of that all the valve tips are mushrooming and 2 are broke off.
I was not up set about the heads until I seen with my own eyes that I had the wrong valve size. that's what set me off and made this post.
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Originally Posted by Z'mnypit
Actually its called "truth". He should be used to it by now. I mean hell, just about everyone who has ever delt with the man know he's full of it. He's constantly screwing somebody somehow. For example look the guy that bought a short block from Terry, the day he ordered it, it has been nothing but problems for him, & know he has to pull his motor again all because Terry couldnt manage to torque down an oil pan to the right specs. The man is a joke.
As far as the problem he is having with his heads regaurdless of who's fault it was it needs to be fixed. Gunnar has done his part to make things right. Its not his fault that the mans car just so happens to be his daily driver. If it was my car, & something messed up & someone was willing to fix after almost 2 years, I dont think Id hesitate to be pulling the heads. Even if it was my daily driver. Its not hard to find alternate ways to work & etc. Plus if you want technical about it, he is wasting time right now when he could have had the heads off & on the way to patriot. How are you getting to work as we speak? Just a thought.
The valve size, im still debating on weather or not it is a 2.00 or a 2.02 It is very possible that it was mis measured, then again it is possible that it is a 2.00. Just let us know if someone else measures it.
As far as the problem he is having with his heads regaurdless of who's fault it was it needs to be fixed. Gunnar has done his part to make things right. Its not his fault that the mans car just so happens to be his daily driver. If it was my car, & something messed up & someone was willing to fix after almost 2 years, I dont think Id hesitate to be pulling the heads. Even if it was my daily driver. Its not hard to find alternate ways to work & etc. Plus if you want technical about it, he is wasting time right now when he could have had the heads off & on the way to patriot. How are you getting to work as we speak? Just a thought.
The valve size, im still debating on weather or not it is a 2.00 or a 2.02 It is very possible that it was mis measured, then again it is possible that it is a 2.00. Just let us know if someone else measures it.
Hey,Patriot nut swinger!Get off my back.Where do you come up with the BS of I am constantly screwing someone.What background gives you the right to pass judgement on this subject?Other than what you read on the internet,where does your knowledge come from?Until you become General Manager of a 20+ man shop,you can kiss my ***!I have never performed work for you and never will.In reference to the short block,it was a core engine from the customer.I did not strip out the bolts,to make it right with my customer,I agreed to fix it for him.I have built over 150+ LS1 based engines,and since the late 1980's,I have built over 500 drag/circle track engines(sbc,sbf and BBC).
Gunner know that you tell folks on the phone, in PM's and emails that everything that is wrong is was my fault. The reason things were not right is, in the beginning Hugh was so damn cheap. Nothing was performed to build a quality product. He thought he could slap heads together like a reman product. Everything was and still is performed at Patriot the way Hugh wants is to be. I never wanted to use foreign valves and junk parts. Hugh would not spend the money on a quality part for the heads. The valves that were installed in questionable set of heads could have been any size. The valves were grabbed out of a box that was for the 2.02 valves and installed in the heads, the size was never checked. I tried to setup an ISO type quality system, Hugh told me that it takes too long we can't ship enough heads checking everything. So Gunnar, quit slandering my name, I do not tell folks anything bad about you or Patriot. I would appreciate you and Hugh doing the same.
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