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Old Dec 29, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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Okey hows does the Ls6 beehive valve springs benifit in our Ls4s over the Ls1s........I mean is it worth the time and money.......do you get more ***** out of this mod.
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Old Dec 29, 2008 | 11:54 PM
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LS6 springs are stiffer and can hold up to a higher lift cam/rockers than the LS1s.
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Originally Posted by Firebirdfan
LS6 springs are stiffer and can hold up to a higher lift cam/rockers than the LS1s.
alright I got it, thanks for the info.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 08:09 AM
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as a general rule, stiffer springs will go higher in the RPM band before they start to float. From every stock-spring LS4 dyno plot I have seen, the stock ones start to lose it around 5200 RPM. I believe you would gain an appreciable amount (perhaps 5-10 horses) and a measurable difference in the quarter by simply swapping the springs to a better set and tweaking the program to hold second gear longer
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ls4GXP
alright I got it, thanks for the info.
You're welcome.

Swapping the springs onto a stock engine more than likely won't show any gains as the tune, rocker ratios, and cam are still all the same.

However, if you plan on running higher ratio rockers or (if you can afford it) a cam, then the LS6 springs are gonna be a very good option. You'll be able spin the valvetrain to a higher RPM and (if the cam grind allows it) make more power.

I don't think there is any cam option for LS4s at this time, there are, however, higher ratio rockers available. If you get them, then keep the LS6 springs in mind.
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Originally Posted by Firebirdfan
You're welcome.

Swapping the springs onto a stock engine more than likely won't show any gains as the tune, rocker ratios, and cam are still all the same.

However, if you plan on running higher ratio rockers or (if you can afford it) a cam, then the LS6 springs are gonna be a very good option. You'll be able spin the valvetrain to a higher RPM and (if the cam grind allows it) make more power.

I don't think there is any cam option for LS4s at this time, there are, however, higher ratio rockers available. If you get them, then keep the LS6 springs in mind.
Mixerda threw an LS6 cam in his IIRC.
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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I am not sold on the cam, no one can seem to back it up with numbers... Or did I miss that post?
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So what are you Ls4 guys doing... springs only, springs and rockers, or springs, rockers and 3/8 pushrods...what do you guys recommend?
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most people just do the springs, rockers, and pushrods. From what i have read most people gain around 10 hp from doing those things. Its next on my list if i dont get rid of my car. Cams are available but they seem to not really be worth it in our cars cause like emerson said not really any numbers to show gains. Way to risky for such a complicated job and expensive to boot.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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The only cams i've seen used were just stock cams from other ls engines, there are some companies saying they are making a performance cam for the ls4 but i have yet to see it. Plus everyone seems to want to keep DOD for some reason
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Is there a set of rockers rods and springs a company makes and if there was a cam with the set you would be set LOL and I'm getting rid of DOD ASAP!!!
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 09:56 PM
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OK people this is what Ive seen and read so far. The LS6 cam will work, but takes away from the low end grunt, (which is okay for us anyway, but no, dyno proof, from the Wisc. guy, but (Mixerda) did the same cam? At least I think?) and again no dyno proof! HUM, Well lets see what we get from a real dyno.... the only thing Ive seen proof of is about 14 H.P. that's rockers springs and push rods! Am I right, or did I miscalculate? Please let me know, cause If its more than 25 H.P. and T.Q. I'm in it!! I will not spray, or force air this car..... The fact that the trans won't hold the n.a. power is enough for me to just mod existing components, or maybe just add the real power ratio.
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Springs, Rockers, and pushrods are good for about 10-15HP. Adding a cam and those mods with complement each other for a total gain of about 30-45HP (high estimate) with an aggressive tune. Spraying on top of that would be a nasty little package.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 10:58 PM
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Is there a complete set? If so whats the # and Manufacture.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mels SS
Is there a complete set? If so whats the # and Manufacture.
No complete set but look up:

Harland Sharps 1.8 Ratio Roller Rockers
Comp 918 springs or LS6 beehives
Comp pushrods (forget the P/N)
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Nacho SS
No complete set but look up:

Harland Sharps 1.8 Ratio Roller Rockers
Comp 918 springs or LS6 beehives
Comp pushrods (forget the P/N)
I just found that www.slponline.com has those performance kits springs,rocker arms, 3/8 pushrods and all the necesary components that go with that........but its $$pricey$$
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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Its ashame GM doesnt have thoese parts for us with the Warranty

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What about the Scorpion Rockers that Summit sells?
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Originally Posted by EmersonHart13
What about the Scorpion Rockers that Summit sells?
I've seen them used in one LSx build before but I can't remember for the life of me if they owner actually liked them or if they turned out to be durable.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 04:42 PM
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hopefully gxpjay and cartunning do the engine build, i think he said they were doing cams, heads, etc and getting rid of dod.
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