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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Haulin_Ls4_GxP
Ok so I have done some more looking around and found that our main and rod journals and bearings are the same as the Ls1,2,6.In theory you should be able to use a ls2 crank with the right machine work.
well the ls2 crank is 13mm longer...what would you do there? i know you could prob machine it, but thats a big obstacle in the fwd set up.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 08:08 PM
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I have researched this throughly. You can not do that. The reason is the entire crank is different. If you really wanted a new crank than you would have to get it custom built.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 09:38 PM
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The crank can't be that much different if all the journals are the same.Yes the crank is 13mm longer but thats nothing but turning it down. As for the counter weights(I'm assuming this is what you are talking about being so different) they might be bigger on the ls2 crank but that to could be cut down. I'd be willing to bet modifying an ls2 crank would be much less than having a custom one made. Anything can be done if you put your mind or money to it.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 11:16 PM
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2 things. Show me one person who has positive dyno results from a cam on OUR ls4 engine.
You honestly don't think there are positive dyno results to be had from a cam in these engines? Come on man, just because you've had such bad experiences with your setup doesn't mean a cam can't improve power on these cars. If rockers have shown a measurable gain, I don't see how a cam wouldn't- not to mention many of the various aftermarket cams seem to work just fine in other LSx engines; our engines aren't that significantly different.

I honestly think that for someone to gain good power from a cam (especially an aggressive one)- they need to get the headers and a different intake manifold on there to eliminate the main restrictions; but I don't see any reason why the LS4 would be any different than practically ever other engine out there.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Haulin_Ls4_GxP
The crank can't be that much different if all the journals are the same.Yes the crank is 13mm longer but thats nothing but turning it down. As for the counter weights(I'm assuming this is what you are talking about being so different) they might be bigger on the ls2 crank but that to could be cut down. I'd be willing to bet modifying an ls2 crank would be much less than having a custom one made. Anything can be done if you put your mind or money to it.
The LS2 has the same stroke we do, no reason to machine the crank.

On the other note, there is no way you can bore out our sleeves that much. We can NOT bore the stock sleeves out another 21 cu in.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sittingmongoose
I have researched this throughly. You can not do that. The reason is the entire crank is different. If you really wanted a new crank than you would have to get it custom built.
You wouldn't happen to have pictures of your crank lying next to the stroker crank, would you? I know that you had both out to look at and see the differences. Not that I want to stroke my engine or anything, but it would be useful.

Like others have said, there is almost no difference between an iron block and an aluminum block because the aluminum blocks have iron sleeves. It's not like aluminum heads vs. iron heads. The aluminum block is all about weight reduction.

LPE was able to bore and stroke a 346 out to 427 before the LS7 hit the scene, but it wasn't cheap. They put it in the Vettes they resell for the customers that wanted to go N/A. Since they were selling 600-2000HP TT 346's at the same time, I don't know why anyone would have bought one save for nostalgic reasons. There's nothing quite like buying a new Corvette and then chipping off another 40 grand plus.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
The LS2 has the same stroke we do, no reason to machine the crank.

On the other note, there is no way you can bore out our sleeves that much. We can NOT bore the stock sleeves out another 21 cu in.
Yep I found that out last night after looking around some more. Man I feel like a dumb *** but I did fine a place here in Ohio that makes crankshaft for 5sec. Drag cars and there 4340 forged 350 cranks were only like $300 or $400 so I'm gonna give them a call Monday and see what they are about
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Haulin_Ls4_GxP
Yep I found that out last night after looking around some more. Man I feel like a dumb *** but I did fine a place here in Ohio that makes crankshaft for 5sec. Drag cars and there 4340 forged 350 cranks were only like $300 or $400 so I'm gonna give them a call Monday and see what they are about
There's absolutely no reson to put a forged crank in an LS4. Forged pistons/rods will handle way more power than we will ever throw at these cars, much less transmissions.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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if i were ever gonna put enough money to make the LS4 a stroker i would rather spend the $$ for a RWD swap and throw in a LS2 or LS3
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
There's absolutely no reson to put a forged crank in an LS4. Forged pistons/rods will handle way more power than we will ever throw at these cars, much less transmissions.
If the trans is built there's no reason it can't handle 600-700hp.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 08:25 PM
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You easliy can make a 4t65e-hd handle 500 - 700 whp. Some 9 second cars were running 4t65e-hd's in the car. With enough cash you can make them "almost" indestructible. Intense and ZZP were both running 4t65e-hd's in thier 9 and 10 second cars.

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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mgpeagle
You easliy can make a 4t65e-hd handle 500 - 700 whp. Some 9 second cars were running 4t65e-hd's in the car. With enough cash you can make them "almost" indestructible. Intense and ZZP were both running 4t65e-hd's in thier 9 and 10 second cars.

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its actually hard to find that 1" GM chain that contributes to 90% of our tranny's strength when built.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 10:17 PM
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Ok....at what point is a forged crank actually going to become *necessary*?
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nacho SS
its actually hard to find that 1" GM chain that contributes to 90% of our tranny's strength when built.
I'm pretty sure that's because they don't make it anymore........pretty sure.

Ok....at what point is a forged crank actually going to become *necessary*?
that's a hard question to answer but I would probably recommend a crank upgrade around 700hp.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMC5
that's a hard question to answer but I would probably recommend a crank upgrade around 700hp.
Thank you. If you want to fog it or run a ton of boost, rods and pistons.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
Thank you. If you want to fog it or run a ton of boost, rods and pistons.
Last I checked this wasn't just about getting a forged crank it was about boring and stroking. So on that note most if not all shops that make custom cranks are are making them forged weather they are 4340 or 5140.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Haulin_Ls4_GxP
Yep I found that out last night after looking around some more. Man I feel like a dumb *** but I did fine a place here in Ohio that makes crankshaft for 5sec. Drag cars and there 4340 forged 350 cranks were only like $300 or $400 so I'm gonna give them a call Monday and see what they are about
Originally Posted by Haulin_Ls4_GxP
Last I checked this wasn't just about getting a forged crank it was about boring and stroking. So on that note most if not all shops that make custom cranks are are making them forged weather they are 4340 or 5140.

I'm trying to figure out why you're wanting to get a custom crank made.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 07:36 AM
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If you guys want big N/A power then buy a cheap F-Body and throw money at that.....


These cars are nice, decent handling daily drivers/grocery getters.....
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bryan921SS
If you guys want big N/A power then buy a cheap F-Body and throw money at that.....


These cars are nice, decent handling daily drivers/grocery getters.....
Truth.....
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AlabamaGuy
I'm trying to figure out why you're wanting to get a custom crank made.
More stroke
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