06 Trailblazer SS vs. 06 Monte SS
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06 Trailblazer SS vs. 06 Monte SS Just want to settle an argument at work (Hurricane Chevrolet).. Of course we cant just take both vehicles out and race them, we would get fired, but we have driven both seperatly.. I dont know if they make Trailblazers in RWD but both of ours are AWD.. I just cant see the FWD Monte outrunning the AWD Trailblazer with its 92 more horsepower...
I looked online and the Trailblazer is said to run 14 flat, but I cant find anything on the Monte.. Thanks guys
I looked online and the Trailblazer is said to run 14 flat, but I cant find anything on the Monte.. Thanks guys
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The AWD TB-SS would have a better chance at outlaunching the 2WD TB-SS, but after first gear everything would be in the 2WD's favor.
As for the TB-SS's v.s. the FWD cars, I'd say it's the same thing: RWD has the launch/0-60 advantage, but then 2WD would gain momentum quicker, and the FWD's are lighter and more aerodynamic, whereas the TB-SS is more powerful, so I think they'd cancel out and be pretty even as far as 1/4 mile racing goes. Past the 1/4, I think the favor would be in the LS4 cars' hands.
I think I may have confused people, as well as myself lol, so here's my summary:
0-60 (traction and power)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: AWD TB-SS
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: AWD TB-SS
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: 2WD TB-SS
1/4 Mile (traction, power, and weight)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: TIE
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: AWD TB-SS
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: 2WD TB-SS
Past 1/4 Mile (power, weight, and aerodynamics)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: 2WD TB-SS
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: FWD LS4
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: FWD LS4
There, I think that makes it a bit easier, and IMO seems pretty accurate.
As for the TB-SS's v.s. the FWD cars, I'd say it's the same thing: RWD has the launch/0-60 advantage, but then 2WD would gain momentum quicker, and the FWD's are lighter and more aerodynamic, whereas the TB-SS is more powerful, so I think they'd cancel out and be pretty even as far as 1/4 mile racing goes. Past the 1/4, I think the favor would be in the LS4 cars' hands.
I think I may have confused people, as well as myself lol, so here's my summary:
0-60 (traction and power)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: AWD TB-SS
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: AWD TB-SS
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: 2WD TB-SS
1/4 Mile (traction, power, and weight)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: TIE
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: AWD TB-SS
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: 2WD TB-SS
Past 1/4 Mile (power, weight, and aerodynamics)....
AWD TB-SS v.s. 2WD TB-SS: 2WD TB-SS
AWD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: FWD LS4
2WD TB-SS v.s. FWD LS4: FWD LS4
There, I think that makes it a bit easier, and IMO seems pretty accurate.
Last edited by TransAm52804; May 23, 2006 at 11:05 PM.
Well, i can tell you the stock 2wd TBss is indeed faster than any LS4 to date. The fastest i've seen a Monte or Impala run is 13.9, but not many people have gotten out to the track with them yet (me included). TonyGXP (clubgp.com) got his GXP to run 13.685 out of the box before he "upgraded" to the TBSS. Here's a couple timeslips from TonyGXP's TBSS. He's on the right:
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Every test I've seen the AWD TB SS is plenty faster. The LS4 front drivers are restricted a great deal as far as performance goes due to the factory PCM. Even the 04+ L32 cars get a lot of PCM interference in the performance department. That's why the L32 cars with an extra 20hp were slower than the older L67 cars. Every time they do any power upgrades, they nanny it out with the PCM, because the 4T65E-HD (and other FWD trannies) can only take so much.
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If you took the TM out of the FWD car it might win due to less weight. The FWD cars really have a lot of TM to help with traction and longetivity of the transmission as well as bad wheel hop.
Launching with AWD would mean you could be losing up to 35% of all your power. Much parasitic loss. FWD has little parasitic loss.
I really think GM put less into to the Monte Carlo because it is FWD and drivers of FWD cars aren't usually into automobiles/worse drivers.
Launching with AWD would mean you could be losing up to 35% of all your power. Much parasitic loss. FWD has little parasitic loss.
I really think GM put less into to the Monte Carlo because it is FWD and drivers of FWD cars aren't usually into automobiles/worse drivers.
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From: Brandon, MS
Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
If you took the TM out of the FWD car it might win due to less weight. The FWD cars really have a lot of TM to help with traction and longetivity of the transmission as well as bad wheel hop.
Launching with AWD would mean you could be losing up to 35% of all your power. Much parasitic loss. FWD has little parasitic loss.
I really think GM put less into to the Monte Carlo because it is FWD and drivers of FWD cars aren't usually into automobiles/worse drivers.
Launching with AWD would mean you could be losing up to 35% of all your power. Much parasitic loss. FWD has little parasitic loss.
I really think GM put less into to the Monte Carlo because it is FWD and drivers of FWD cars aren't usually into automobiles/worse drivers.
But yeah they have alot of TM to keep from killing the transmission. If you manage to hook under 5 mph with full throttle you will be eating the steering wheel.
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A big I dont know on this one...Monte is lighter, TB has the 6.0 with 4.11 gears, a tossup. But I suspect that the TB would be great for things like adding a supercharger, and would not leave its transmission behind at the dragstrip with some mods. Does this help? 
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From: Brandon, MS
Originally Posted by TransAm52804
Are you kidding me? FWD cars are the worst when it comes to wheelhop. They're notorious for it.
Just my 2 cents but seems like basic physics would say wheel hop would be impossible since the suspension is not loading up like on a RWD vehicle. Of course I did "withdraw" from college after 1 semester.
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anybody remember the guy on here with a GXP that ran 13.6 all stock? i'd say it would be a good race either way but the cars that have been on tech running faster than 14s stock and the TB SS being a 13.9 suv either way its hard to say.
edit: actually i just looked, and it turns out the guy with the GXP that ran 13.6 stock also has a TBSS that ran 13.49 stock as well. his name is TonyGXP.
nevermind, i see its already posted...
edit: actually i just looked, and it turns out the guy with the GXP that ran 13.6 stock also has a TBSS that ran 13.49 stock as well. his name is TonyGXP.
nevermind, i see its already posted...
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From: Brandon, MS
Originally Posted by spy2520
anybody remember the guy on here with a GXP that ran 13.6 all stock? i'd say it would be a good race either way but the cars that have been on tech running faster than 14s stock and the TB SS being a 13.9 suv either way its hard to say.
edit: actually i just looked, and it turns out the guy with the GXP that ran 13.6 stock also has a TBSS that ran 13.49 stock as well. his name is TonyGXP.
nevermind, i see its already posted...
edit: actually i just looked, and it turns out the guy with the GXP that ran 13.6 stock also has a TBSS that ran 13.49 stock as well. his name is TonyGXP.
nevermind, i see its already posted...
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From: NY
Originally Posted by BigMikeGXP
Yeah Tony's was a good bit faster than most stock. I guess a factory freak car. Most run between 13.8-14.2 stock. Launching is extremely hard to learn in these cars. I think my 60' was a horrible 2.27 with the 14.19 @ 100.2 I ran.
I ran both at Atco & Englishtown, before anyone who doesn't know or remember my history (Slips to back it up, try me I dare you
...) My SS from the dealer felt slower out of the hole than the GXP (then it broke in around 1k mi), but on the move 50+ it seemed Waaay faster to 120, track settled the argument though, first pass a 13.55 @102.5..this truck hooks like nothing I have ever driven, for anyone thinking an AWD TBSS will outlaunch one?? here's a vid of mine vs an AWD http://www.tunetyme.net/gallery.html ,my 60' are always better than his & only an AWD SS with a Converter beat my 60 around here, 2.01 & 2.02 consistently now, without a tune, all Torque management in place...should be able to bust out a 1.90 now..
If my GXP could launch hard (impossible with the torque management in place) it could run with the SS, it did pull 2.01 60's but it would need a 1.9 or better to tie the big 6.0 at the big end, cause the cubes & HP would reel it in before the top..
and no way would an Impala SS take a GXP..no way..I don't care what C&D said about it being faster, I smoked one (pulling on it 2 cars from 75 to 130) on the highway & at the track the Impala's have run low 14's..a Monte, Maybe, just had to throw that out there..
AWD SS vs GXP? I'd say driver's race, SS launches hard should beat him, GXP doesn't spin till next week? GXP traps higher..
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Originally Posted by GXPPOWER
i ran 13.9@102 in my GXP stock... so id run with an awd ss anyday the RWD are much faster. though still trap like crap and get wha 12 mpg 
then how does it feel to eat my "Crap" seeing as how I'll park my truck after we run (in the GXP, which you don't have anymore) snap a photo when you cross the finish..YEE WHO GETS THERE FIRST, WINS
