just dont forget the suspension on the way up, especially with the power that the lt-1 makes down low, i really like my 4.10's but without suspension all the power was kinda useless, plus its a great feeling to hit it off the line and feel that front end snap up

 

Oh yea most definitly. You get more torque multiplication with the stall. I would go with a 3200, that way you have room to grow. And with sticky tiresyou can count on atleast 6 tenths off your 1/4 mile, most of the time more than that.

 

sounds good i will have to do some "window" shopping this eve

 

LT1 for the win. You cant trust ford people.There jealous

 

You haven't been around these cars long have you? A4 LT1s that are fully optioned with 3.23s and sticky tires have been seen to go 13.6-13.7 in the 1/4 mile @99-101. The LS1 is 13.2-13.3 @102-104.

Did you not look at the (old setup) it made 312/331 with 1.7 rockers, long tubes, cai, and a ported stock TB. I'm pushing for 340rwhp with all the bugs worked out on this next pull.

 

LOL, I was around DRVING when IROCS came out. I witnessed every phase of the TPI cars, LT1's and LS1's.
Oh really? My brother owns 1995 FIREHAWK #011, 3.23's 300HP Ram Air, it ran a 9.03 (which is about a 14.0-14.2ish) best ever after 3 or 4 times at the track. LS1's with grandma options, 2.73's and loaded run faster. My friends 8.60 comes to mind.

340hp? Wow dude. That's not bad for ported heads,ported intake, ported TB, full bolt-ons and a tune. LS1's can do that easily with headers, a lid, a cat-back and a tune.

I love LT1's I really do, but some of you guys live in fantasy land. There's a reason it was phased out and a BETTER motor was phased in. The LT1 has some perks for sure, but overall it is not as good of a design as an LS1. We can battle this all day long just go look at the quickest ET list for the 2 respective cars. The fastest Stock Internal (bolt-on) LS1 car is 10.68, the quickest LT1 is an 11.48, thats eight tenths folks! Or about 12-15 car lengths at the stripe, or 5 buses whichever you prefer. Again, i'm not bashing the LT1 by any means, because they do perform very well, hell I just ordered 3 grand worth of stuff for mine, but I live right here in reality, and I see these kids new to the sport of drag racing every year coming out of the woodwork and running very impressive times with their LS1 cars, and all they have are simple parts on their cars.

 

They also flow better in the intake and heads than an LT1. I have spent 400$ total on the portwork from Lloyd. That is heads and intake.

The quickest bolt-on lt1 isn't 2800 pounds either.

I don't live in a fantasy land... I can just tell you that an LT1 can go just as fast as an LS1. To go 8s in an LS1 it takes lots of $$$. To go 8s in an LT1 is takes lots of $$$.

 

My previous catback only 97 Z ran a 13.7 at Ennis... my friends catback only 99 TA ran a 13.7. Side by side at the track. Don't be a pissy bitch.

 

No need for name calling, i'm not being pissy at all, just stating facts. A cat-back is still a mod, ie: not stock.

 

There is always going to be "this one time" arguments, but we all know, that on average, stock for stock, same transmission, gearing, tires, & most importantly same driver w/ similar launches, that an LS1 is faster than a LT1. You simply cannot argue that, you can't, there is no way. And it should be, it was designed from the ground up, on a new page using everything learned from the previous generations.

I owned both engines and I actually prefer the LT1 to the LS1, even if it is outdated and less efficient, but I love it.

 

Thank you, and very well put! Someday something will come along that will make an LS1 look like a flathead V-8 and then we can move on to that.

 

I won't get involved in the LS1 Versus LT1 debate, but the OP's ford buddy is a tool for saying that a LT1 isn't even worth modding. He sounds like a mustang guy that I know. Back when I bought my car he was talking **** about how I should have gotten an LS1 because LT1's just didn't have much potential. I wish I had a picture of his expression when he recently learned that my poor little ol bolt on only LT1 is running faster than his heads and cam fox body.

Before buying my LT1, I had been away from cars for quite a few years. I was in the process of building a carbed 383 to put in my old S-15 when I decided to scrap it and do a fuel injected car. My main goal for this project was "Bang For The Buck". I've owned Fords, Dodges, and Chevys, so brand loyalty was not a particular obsticle for me. I'm not even particular fond of the 4th gen F body. I chose it because an LT1 A-4 car is the hands down best "Bang For The Buck" performer available. The first goal that I acomplished was to run into the twelves without nitrous for a total investment of under $5000 including the purchase price of the car. Try that with an LS1!

Disclaimer: I have noticed recently that the price of good used LS1 cars is dropping rapidly, therefore my opinions are subject to change.

 

unless he has a 2003 or 2004 blown cobra or maybe a 99 or 01 cobra he has no room to talk bullshit about power. if he has a 99-04 2V stang he could spend 3 grand on ported heads and a cam and full boltons and never see 300 horse at the rear.

i had a 96 stang and trust me the LT1 is a powerhorse compared to that actually compared to any 2V 4.6L. mine will hand with the non blown 4V cobras without issue.

the LS1 is a superior design but the LT1 far from sucks. it responds to boltons decently and makes some good power. throw some heads (AI or LE) and cam on there and you will be staring at an easy 375 RWHP TQ. yea its easier on an LS1, but LT1 parts are cheaper for the most part.

 

For the original poster, how old are you? You seam rather impressionable. The first major thing to learn is never listen to people that own Fords. Seriously everything is different. From his point of view why is he even bothering with old 5.0 crap. Holy old technology with it's major popularity in the 80s.

Build your car and enjoy it. Do a lot of reading on here. Venture out of this section which is inherently inhabited by younger people with the cheaper prices of LT1 cars. You can really learn a lot and educate yourself on this site. I knew nothing about cars when I started doing research in early 2006.

Figure out what you want to do with your car. Start off by setting goals and a budget. Stick to them or you are going to end up with a lot of wasted money and extra parts (like me). Look for good deals in the parts for sale section. I've bought almost every single part ever from there. There's really some amazing deals that pop up.


On with the off topic ramblings.....

I beg to differ. I have $750 in my LS1 408 rotating assembly (Forged k1 4 inch stroke crank, forged 6.125 K1 rods with ARP2000 bolts, and wiseco pistons) and block. If you shop around you can find parts cheap for either.

I agree and that's the same with any car no matter what it is. You can't just build some monster engine and leave everything else the same. Why do you think all of those 1000hp Supras run 11.5?

Having been in the process of building both at the same time they really aren't. The only parts you'll really spend more money on with LS1 engines are high end rockers and heads. If you shopped used pretty much everything is the same. Check my comment above.

The point is not everyone is trying to get to the 8s. It's about those 6 seconds between 14s and 8s. An LS1 engine will get you there cheaper.

I find pointless threads like this amusing to read.

 

hmm pointless... i thought you learned by asking questions, and people answering like everyone else did, not by some smart *** running his mouth. i will agree that stock for stock the ls1 is a better engine. but i have an lt1 the main question was is it worth it to spend money on an lt1 ive had the car on the road for less than a month, how else can i figure out unless i ask. yeah you can spend less to go faster, however you have to buy the ls1 over the lt1, my ford buddy does have a few blown cobras with the new 4.6. and he builds cars, so i figured i would check out what he said before i ran with it.thanks to everyone helped with this question, and those who didnt, well next time dont bother

 

You can go low 11s/high 10s for WAY less than with an LS1! haha! You guys must be buying your LT1 parts from that high priced performance shop by your house and not looking at what has been produced in the last 2 years. AI is making packages that are in the 10s on high mileage stock bottom ends. An LS1 will not get you there cheaper. Sorry but you won't win that argument until the cost of a cam isn't 100$ more than an LT1 cam. Head work is more expensive. Headers are more expensive. Just about every part for an LS1 will cost you more. The argument I make is stock for stock we aren't comparing driving a Viper(LS1) somehow makes the LT1 a Ford Escort.

We are talking 2-3mph stock for stock in the 1/4 mile. Sure an LS1 responds better to bolt ons... it has an advantage in almost every area. Better flowing intake, better designed throttle body, WAY better flowing heads with terrific port design, exhaust manifolds that don't look like a cast iron stove... etc. The point you are trying to make is the LT1 is a piece of **** and bolt on for bolt on will just get ROLLED in a race. Not the case at all. There are far too many variables and I know you seem very unrealistic in your approach but I'm sorry... the LT1 is no dog. The jump from LT1 to LS1 is not even close to the improvement from L98 to LT1. That you can be certain of.

 

This is not accurate info for ALL LT1 cars. 15" rims fit without mod on both of my '94 cars.

 

To the OP:

Do your car like you do your girls.. start with the rear!

Dollar to dollars, LT1 is cheaper to buy and cheaper to build...
My friend has a 00 SS SLP and bought it for $16k w/ 50k miles.. I bought my 97 WS6 for $6500 with 98k.. Shortblock replacement in the future maybe? But that runs only a few grand.. Imagine how much more I can do to my engine with that extra $9,500

 

just thought i would throw this in there. my car went 13.7 @106(ish) when bone stock.and it weighted 3585 with me in it. just goes to show 13s arent that impossible for an lt1

 

do whatever you want it's your car

**** the haters and just shut em up at the track/street

makes it more rewarding to stomp a mudhole in the *** of people who looked down on you