Amen Brother!

Does anyone know what number to call for SLP's records, I dont want to talk to a salesperson just want some info. or would they even have detailed records like that?

Wow i just looked at that page that was posted and my WS6 is 1 of 14 1LE optioned Formulas in 1997

 

Here are the 97 production numbers.

 

I would love some info on this too. My car is a 96 Trans Am WS6, t-tops with cloth interior, black exterior, gray interior, M6

 

wish i knew how rare mine was 93 with every option but t tops black and no rear defrost

 

I think mine is fairly rare as well.

1994 formula, M6, T-Tops, gray interior, Yellow exterior

Bob

 

What do you consider "every option"? I pretty much consider mine to have every option save for T-Tops. I have rear defrost, keyless, leather w/ electric 6way adjustable (technically 4way elec, 2 way manual for under the legs), CD player, 10 speaker package, steering wheel audio controls, power windows and locks obviously, automatic (pretty much every vehicle list the Automatics as an option), 3.23s, Z-Rated tires which includes the 150mph speedo in that package. I can't even think of what else heh

 

I have a 1995 Formula six speed car. The only option is AC-delete. It is silver. Does anyone know where to find the numbers for AC-delete non 1LE cars (1995 was the last year for AC-delete)?

 

Way to go GM for stellar records keeping that thing abouve says there were 28 1le Formulas in 97
but this page
http://www.1le.net/1le_production.html
says there were 14
either way it is pretty rare

 

Guys just go in the firebird/TA section there is lots of info in there.

 

That's where I got the post that lists a ton of links for Production Numbers, that I posted on the first page.

 

Here is the big key...

a) Is the car 100% original?
b) Does the car have low-mileage? (ie, under 40-50k)
c) Is the car in mint shape, no wear, rust, etc?

If all 3 above are not 100% YES, then who cares how 'rare' a combo is??? If all the above are true, what the hell are you doing on the forums, as your car sits as a museum piece...

Not trying to be a killjoy, but high-mileage (especially something with over 100k), non-original condition (including any sort of mod), or something that is driven in the snow-belt year round, or a car that has been in an accident and repaired is worthless as any sort of 'collector' car... And that is what we are talking here, something that would be a collectors item...

For 'car-geek' dick-wagging, again, who cares? Just because only a couple were made of a certain color/options, if you don't keep it in mint and 'collectors' condition it is just another f-body...

There is a lot more respect for making a car 'yours' in regards to mods and work done to the car yourself. If it is ragged out and a year-round car it is far from a 'unique gem'...

Just a bit of reality for all the newer car guys that may be a little delusional that they have something unique and 'prized'... Remember it is all a state of mind, and, usually, a fantasy in only YOUR mind...

 

Rock the **** on.

 

So what if you have a really low production car with only 186 miles on the clock that has a strong racing history?

 

i would keep it in prestine cond. and sell it in 20 yrs

 

You're absolutely right. But the main reason is just curiosity and also because it's interesting to know. And even if they are modified, it's not hard to put them back to stock. Sure you won't get the same as if it was 100% original-original and numbers matching, but in 15-30yrs if you still have the same car and the motor has been rebuilt, armed with the knowledge that it's a "1 in under 50" car can help raise the price a few bucks. Who really would've thought back in 71 that because they wanted the option to have a Cuda with a 426 Hemi, 4 speed and Convertible, would lead to a car that would be worth over $4mil, or a similar w/ Automatic and Billboard option that was 1 of 2 exported to Europe that went for $4.1...

Our cars aren't worth $1mill but to us owners, but give it time and they could be

 

Mine was bone stock with 27k when I bought it. Now has lots of mods and 32k but is still mint. I kept all the stock parts just incase I ever want it to be original again.<<but that will never happen!lol!

 

I care because i got an amazing deal on a car and it turns out their was around 50 produced. I care because my car is rare, you don't care because your car is not. its that simple.

hmm that black piece of metal with a clean vin, clean accident history, low miles, rare options, and in perfect condition must be a fantasy in my mind. Well now that you put it that way i think i have to go burn down my garage with that fantasy in it...see ya guys.

 

And here is a reality check... Your car is a 4th Gen F-Body... Far from a 'collectible', will be far from one even in another 30 years... Sorry, these are not from the 1st muscle-car era, they are what they are, a sporty coupe with good power from the factory, but there are, and have been many cars since they were released that are just as common with MORE power from the factory...

People think the same thing about thier late-model GTOs... Sorry, burned again...

Only cars that will be worth ANYTHING is something like one of the original 'f-ups' by GM, like a '98 WS6 convertible in that special metallic purple-blue (where there was only 2 T/As made with that color and they were both WS6s, and it was dropped as a color because of a problem at the factory with the paint)... ie, something that was never supposed to be made, but was, or that was at a VERY limited number due to techincal issues... Things like those aren't very prevalent and if you own one and mod it or put ANY miles on it, you should be shot...

Just like the original 91 (or was it 92?) Firehawk with the all aluminum motor and pro-street like chassis enhancements... Only like 5 of those were sold...

Sorry, but ANY other f-body, regardless of 'unique combination' of options really don't mean squat to anyone... Ok, maybe another f-body geek, but good luck getting them to pony up good cash for the car just because it is a 'rare combination'...

Common sense prevails, thus if it isn't as rare as a COPO car, isn't a factory screwup that got made, or isn't a limited edition that matters (and sorry, the Harley Davidson T/A, Hurst T/A or any of the other 'special editions' that are really just paint jobs and plaques don't count) then go ahead and tell yourself it is rare and special. If you keep the miles off it, and keep it in mint condition, don't mod it and keep it as a museum piece, then maybe, just maybe, it might be worth $20-30k in about 10-15 years... But beyond that don't think you are 'special'... No-one else does.

 

Oh, and to clarify, I absoloutly LOVE my T/A, so much so I have spent at least six figures on it (and 90% of that is just parts with ME doing all the work, as in over 5000 hours to date), which is WAY more than at least 98% of the people on here would do to thier cars... I am far from joking as I have over 14 years into it, having ordered and bought it new... And yeah, it has 45k miles on it, it spent more time being worked on than being driven, but for ME that is part of it's heritage...

Honestly, I am far from delusional about my car, and it is worth what it is TO ME. Hell, I picked up a buddies '95 Z28 convertible last year and that holds damn near the same level of worth to me, especially considering I knew the guy since 1996 and know what the car meant to him... So both are 'keepers' and something my kids will fight over when I am gone... So, yeah, I KNOW my car is something special!

Just saying the 'collectors market' is not what people think it is... Everyone in thier brother thinks they have a 'rare car'... Reality, it just isn't true anymore...

 

I think that the following cars will have some value in the future.

Any 1LE.

B4C with low miles (no actual cop history).

Any of the LT4 cars.

Special editions with low miles.

And, of course, any V-8 AC-delete car with a racing history! (I get offers to sell mine all the time).