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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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ok i got my car running think i mad a vital mistake i am running guide plates with self aligning rr's is that a no no?? because it beat the aligners flat .... what do you guys recommend non aligning
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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You guessed it. Combining the two is a no-no.
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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If the rockers are still good then you should be able to just take the guide plates off. That or get a set of NSA rockers.
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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You could have also damaged your pushrods as well so be sure to check those when you tear back into it
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by saylorZ28
ok i got my car running think i mad a vital mistake i am running guide plates with self aligning rr's is that a no no?? because it beat the aligners flat .... what do you guys recommend non aligning
Post a pic of the damaged rockers so others an learn from your mistake.
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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fo real yea i will do thaT BUT what would you guys think i should get for a new rocker
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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Either Pro Mags or Crane Golds, designed for a NSA setup.

Are you using hardened pushrods, and what guideplates are you using?
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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using comp plates and one peice harden pr. with 918 beehives springsall summit shows for m app is trick flows
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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here is a pic of a couple of the worst ones the guides one the others where beaten flat

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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by saylorZ28
here is a pic of a couple of the worst ones the guides one the others where beaten flat
What rockers are those?
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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yikes. id definitely check out your pushrods. get yourself a set of NSA rockers and youll be fine. if not i have a set of SA for sale!
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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I would not use Comp guideplates. They don't seem to align all cylinders properly (could have been your problem).

Some suggestions:
GM p/n 14011051 (8 needed) check them for hardness
Trickflow Part # 30400623-8
or adjustable guideplates
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 10:11 PM
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now that you mention it shoebox it didnt look like they where straightbut then it is apart now cant really remember but shouldn't with nsa should it ? checked the push rods to they are ok from the looks of it i am goin to find a straight egde to check them out better...
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 11:17 PM
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I believe the Comp plates are the same ones they use for SBCs. There are slight differences in the LT1 heads, so all cylinders don't seem to line up.
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Old Mar 29, 2009 | 11:23 PM
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Looks eerily similar to what one of my rockers looked like when the lifter under it grenaded itself. What springs, locks, and retainers did you use, and what was the installed height?

I'm thinking either the guideplates were sooo far off it pushed the rocker to the side, or it was the wrong spring/lock/retainer combo for those rockers and the aligning tabs ate themselves on the locks.

Just saying that even though guideplates should not be used with SA rockers, I would not imagine that much damage on that many rockers because of it. I would pull the intake and check all the lifters just to be safe.
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 11:56 AM
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well i pulled the intake i think it might be the guide plates they don't seem to be letting the pr line up correctly man this sucks ... pulled my lifters to and checked them and they didn't compress any so i might have lifter problems too i believe i will get lifters and new rr's too and ditch the guide plates for now
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:34 PM
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I would get (I have all of these in my car except the lifters):
Trickflow guideplates - 30400623-8
Comp ProMags - 1305-16
Trickflow Chromemoly pr's - 21407xxx (for 7.xxx" length, measure for your application)
LS7 lifters (you can get them from the dealer)

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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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I've heard of people having a lot of probs with any guideplate besides isky adjustables, gmpp's or trickflows

the rockers look like proforms
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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The Trick flow GPs do require a little modding for them to fit right. At least Speedinc had to mod mine
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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well ima get new rr's and lifters but i think i may hold off on guide plates ... but this is really discouraging ... does summit have thos parts you list guy ?
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