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Old May 9, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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Why where the heads decked that much? Didn't see that... That really drops the CC volume of the heads. I would NEVER have a set of LT1 heads decked that far. Screws up the chamber if you ask me. Sure, you can port it back out, but that is a lot of volume to report to...

Without knowing the block deck, but assuming a .010" decking you mentioned, with .030" off the heads, you *may* well be at 11.8 or so... ugh... That is really pretty high for a 35x displacement... Considering that you get greater gains with a higher CR with more displacement, I just really wouldn't like the risks associated with a pump-gas 35x displacement motor pushing close to 12:1... Hell, my 11.6:1 CR is a concern for me. I just have to be sure my system is tuned properly with good tuning for the low-octane tables to ensure that if I get bad gas it sees the pinging and switches properly. Takes time to fine-tune the knock tables and low-octane settings to get it all 'just right'...

Honestly, I highly doubt there are any tuners out there, other than myself, that has the experience and drive to tune not only for performance, but also for the 'safety net' that the late-model PCMs (including LT1s) afford. Takes quite a bit of time to tune in the knock system for a given engine combo to see 'real' knock and to tune for a 'safe' low-octane configuration for it.

I know for fact there are far too many people that think they can 'tune', but in reality they don't even understand the principles behind how PCMs interprete and interpolate the available sensor information, let alone how the various tables actually impact and derive the running state for a motor. Prime example are people that change MAF calibrations as a 'tuning method', as it is a compelte hack and a joke. Point blank fact is that the MAF is the only highly calibrated sensor on late model cars, outside of factory widebands, and to change thier calibration is the most ignorant thing to do.
Well it is identical to what im running now plus a couple extra cubes and the added saftey at higher RPMs.

My car was Dyno tuned at Speedinc and has 0 knock real or false and put out 413.66 rwhp b4 the TDs, on pump gas and thats with a s60 out back, on the stock short block. It trapped 120 so far.
Im not at all worried about the CR. The only thing that worries me at all, is piston to valve clearance but LE says we should have no probs since the pistons are .010+ in the hole. Well they actually measured between .010-.015 with an average of .012 in the hole.
From everthing Ive ever read says LT1s love higher compression( one of the benifits of reverse cooling) and Ive heard of more than a few guys runnin 12.5:1 and even more on pump gas safely.
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Old May 9, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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Oh yeah if you think I should be worried, there a few gas stations near by that sell 100oct. race gas. So I could just run that to be safe
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Old May 9, 2009 | 03:38 PM
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I saw your stud girdle post, seems like a great Idea! Im def changing out the main bolts to ARP studs.
you think only 10.7:1? with the heads milled .030 and MR G 5716 gaskets that are .026? Right now with the stock short im at 11.4:1
I'm pretty sure ARP recommends a line bore if you are changing from bolts to studs, I don't know if I would just swap them out.
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I could use new ARP bolts then. Anyone else have suggestions on this area? Or an idea of what it would cost to have the block converted to splayed or GM 4bolt and reassembled?
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Old May 9, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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^ Honestly, I wouldn't even worry about it. There's no need to spend extra money on this if you aren't trying to push every ounce out of it. Save the money for the engine you are looking to build in the future.
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Ill just throw in some ARP main bolts then, anyone have the part number?
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Old May 9, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
It trapped 120 so far.
It did?
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yep first time out, well actually 119.44 spinning the 275/50 MT Drs like crazy, oh and that was only leaving at 4k (stock clutch) vid is in the sig vvvvv
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Actually, on a LT1 you can use studs without a line hone. The issues is much more prevalent in stuff like SBFords where the webbing is weak, or old-school blocks where the machining from the factory jus isn't what it is now-a-days.

I have done plenty of LT1s as mild to moderate performance buildups where it didn't need 4-bolt mains and if the mains all check out (ie it doesn't need a line hone due to a 'problem') I have run ARP main studs... Including my new 383 buildup. It has main studs added with no line hone and all the journals spec'd out perfect.

It is really a matter of knowing what you are doing and making sure your torque wrench is properly calibrated. The only thing studs do is provide a more consistent and stronger clamping force on the caps. Since you are not twisting the threads in while applying force (the way it works when tightening a bolt, ie it is a shearing action on a course thread), it provides for better clamping (since you are tightening a finer, shallower-angled thread on the nut only while leaving the twisting action out of the equation).

Hell, anyone like ARP would be stupid to NOT say it is a good suggestion to do a line hone if you are changing hardware. That way if it fails and a line hone wasn't done, they can't take blame. At the same time if a line hone IS done you can be certain that everything is inline and consistent.

Don't forget, newer blocks are WAYYYY more consistent in regards to machining tolerances than old-school blocks. Late-model blocks have the benefit of much more recent technology to aid in providing a better overall factory piece. Old school blocks can be soo far off it isn't even funny. All of those 'inconsistencies' just don't *usually* apply to LT1 blocks.

Again, put ARP, or another high-strength stud in it. If you don't and you have a bottom-end issue you'll only be kicking yourself. It is a cheap upgrade ($50-75 or so) for the insurance.

Hell, if you want I have a box full of extras in the garage from having done so many with windage trays that I didn't use. I think I even have enough ARP washers and nuts to put together a complete stud set. If your interested, send me a PM and let me know and I'll let all 7 studs/washers/nuts needed go cheap (you would still need to buy the 3 Moroso studs to install the windage tray).
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I def want studs over bolts, if it can be done, and I would be pissed to spin a main because I didnt do a simple upgrade.
So Ill need 3 moroso bolts for the windage tray, and ARPs for the rest?
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I def want studs over bolts, if it can be done, and I would be pissed to spin a main because I didnt do a simple upgrade.
So Ill need 3 moroso bolts for the windage tray, and ARPs for the rest?
Yep. And you don't need to use Lock-tite to put the studs in, just put them in hand tight, loosen them 1/4 turn and install the caps, torque with ARP moly-lube on the threads and faces of the washers and nuts to the ARP spec for the ARP studs and 60 ft/lbs for the Moroso. I can lookup the ARP spec when I get back later today.
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Yep. And you don't need to use Lock-tite to put the studs in, just put them in hand tight, loosen them 1/4 turn and install the caps, torque with ARP moly-lube on the threads and faces of the washers and nuts to the ARP spec for the ARP studs and 60 ft/lbs for the Moroso. I can lookup the ARP spec when I get back later today.
Sweet!!! Thanks for all the info!!!
I will do this as soon as Im back from the shootout, cash is tight untill then.
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Just found out the motor has Pink rods? I thought they were the stronger, but aparrently not?

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I personally would not run a 'pink rod' over 550hp... A PM rod I have no issue taking to 650 or slightly more.

I have personally see PM rods deform at around 700-750 or so hp. I have seen pink rods break at 650.
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I personally would not run a 'pink rod' over 550hp... A PM rod I have no issue taking to 650 or slightly more.

I have personally see PM rods deform at around 700-750 or so hp. I have seen pink rods break at 650.
HMMM... If I take it apart for a 4bolt maybe ill replace the rods too, with some forged Scat rods. Just thinking out loud. Any probs doing that?
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HMMM... If I take it apart for a 4bolt maybe ill replace the rods too, with some forged Scat rods. Just thinking out loud. Any probs doing that?
Nope, would be a wise choice. You will also have the have the rotating assembly rebalanced as well tho...
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Ill look into it for sure. Got bigger probs now.....Cars dead !
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
I personally would not run a 'pink rod' over 550hp... A PM rod I have no issue taking to 650 or slightly more.

I have personally see PM rods deform at around 700-750 or so hp. I have seen pink rods break at 650.
RWHP or Flywheel
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We only talk RWHP around here!
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