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Old May 26, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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Maybe because of the PTV contact some valves were damaged or something and Lloyd sent Elliott a new set of heads with new hardware for no extra cost.
Pistons cannot suffer damage from PTV issues, or is it just in this case?
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Just go threw the LTx fastest NA list besides Big ricks car, seems theres alot fast LE cars on there.
I told you B4 I have the dyno of an Identical AI set up to my LE set up, minus the S60 in his car and my dyno is clearly better peaks are pretty close closed cut out, but my graph is much smoother/flatter & I still make a bit more HP and TQ with the s60 and a ton more with open cut out over his.
Thats the closest thing I can find to an apples to apples comparison, and since mine is better Id say Im glad I went with LE over AI
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If there was no damage to the pistons and it was stated the PTV problem was indeed the problem then why rebuild the engine?
Maybe because of the broken rings? According to you in your reply you said that using pistons with a little scaring is laughable so if there was then you would have rebuilt the engine too, so what's your point?

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Of course you would guess because that is all you can do. What I have stated points to the fact that PTV problems is what caused the initial problem and all you can do is guess. Do you realize how retarded your logic is?
Where did you state that PTV issues caused the initial problem. All you are posting and pointing to is that LE heads blew up his Elliott's engine. You still won't admit that the broken rings caused the blow by and you still won't answer how heads cause massive amounts of blow by.

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Right.. the info "isn't there" but you are "guessing" the tops of the pistons are fine with a little scarring. Laughable
Tops of pistons are fine with a little scarring, they can be buffed out and piston tops fill in with carbon call the time. My guesses are reasonable assumptions, your fabricated scenarios are based on what?

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To you and others I'm sure it is truth. Yes definitely a retainer is supposed to "act" on the plunger even though Bret could not explain what that meant when he was questioned about it. If you would like to debate this subject then there is a pretty useless Comp R thread for you to do so. Keep your dog wagging to the subject at hand. Is that possible?
I am, you're the one going off about some arguement over a year ago. I'm sorry that you still can't get over being made to look like a fool, but eventually you have to get over it. I see you changed your sig too, you just can't get over Bret, can you? I'm sure he has a good chuckle at your expense everytime he surfs the net
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Pistons cannot suffer damage from PTV issues, or is it just in this case?
He tore it down because as soon as he got on the dyno, he had blow by issues, the heads didnt cause that, and thats when he noticed the pvc prob, not the other way around. I beleive it was running untuned that caused the ring failure, but thats just a guess.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Pistons cannot suffer damage from PTV issues, or is it just in this case?
I never said pistons can't suffer damage, I even said that the pistons tops were probably scuffed up in my previous reply. Is that all you got? Whatever was made between Lloyd and Elliott is between them, maybe you want to make up some fantastic story about it, but it doesn't make it true, not matter how many times you post it.
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LOL! At least this thread makes the work day go faster! !
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I know, it's already time for me to go. I dont' have time to wait for another one of SS RRR's long *** posts, later!
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Old May 26, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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This is by far the best spin effort I have seen in a very long time.
Funny how everyone is trying to talk for Elliot with their own speculation out of one side of the keyboard and throwing out speculation accusations out of the other. Greatness!
Originally Posted by ulakovic22
I never said pistons can't suffer damage, I even said that the pistons tops were probably scuffed up in my previous reply. Is that all you got? Whatever was made between Lloyd and Elliott is between them, maybe you want to make up some fantastic story about it, but it doesn't make it true, not matter how many times you post it.
There is enough evidence to point out another LE disaster no matter how you want to try and spin this. Once again it doesn't matter how much material was disclosed, much like SD's e-mails you would claim it was someone else's fault. I expect nothing less from you.
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The only speculation on my end it how the rings went out, everything else is a fact. Please tell me how the heads messed up the rings?
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
He tore it down because as soon as he got on the dyno, he had blow by issues, the heads didnt cause that, and thats when he noticed the pvc prob, not the other way around. I beleive it was running untuned that caused the ring failure, but thats just a guess.
Exactly but the car did have a tune for the injectors/heads/cam after we started it for the first time to make sure the rockers were adjusted and it ran ok. Before the swap it ran perfect on all 8 cylinders. During the dyno blow-by occurred and then #5 and #7 weren't responding during a compression test.

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This is by far the best spin effort I have seen in a very long time.
Funny how everyone is trying to talk for Elliot with their own speculation out of one side of the keyboard and throwing out speculation accusations out of the other. Greatness!

There is enough evidence to point out another LE disaster no matter how you want to try and spin this. Once again it doesn't matter if there were pics of the heads or pistons, much like SD's e-mails you would claim it was someone else's fault.
They speak for me maybe because they respect me and know I'm a stand up individual unlike yourself. Get a life my man
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The only speculation on my end it how the rings went out, everything else is a fact. Please tell me how the heads messed up the rings?
Please tell me why there are no pics of the heads. Please tell me why there are no pics of the tops of Elliot's pistons. Please tell me why Elliot had to delete all his recent posts regarding this matter? Please tell me why he has to have his heads replaced. Please tell me why the engine was taken apart when the alleged cracked pistons had yet to be discovered? Please tell me why you feel you must come to Elliot's rescue when he's perfectly capable of making statements for himself?
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Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z
Before the swap it ran perfect on all 8 cylinders. During the dyno blow-by occurred and then #5 and #7 weren't responding during a compression test.
What was the compression reading on the other 6 cylinders?
Old May 26, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Please tell me why there are no pics of the heads. Please tell me why there are no pics of the tops of Elliot's pistons. Please tell me why Elliot had to delete all his recent posts regarding this matter? Please tell me why he has to have his heads replaced. Please tell me why the engine was taken apart when the alleged cracked pistons had yet to be discovered? Please tell me why you feel you must come to Elliot's rescue when he's perfectly capable of making statements for himself?
Oh I have plenty of pictures documenting anything and everything. Posting them up would be pointless.

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What was the compression reading on the other 6 cylinders?
It read exactly the same as my post did too you earlier...DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT AND GO ON W/ YOUR DAY
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It read exactly the same as my post did too you earlier...DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT AND GO ON W/ YOUR DAY
Interesting. It would then seem you are hiding something by not answering such a simple question and would make those who respect and admire you look bad and their posting on your behalf efforts worthless. Since you have pics of everything then I'm sure you could post up a pic of the tops of your pistons and the cylinder heads. I'm a little puzzled as to why you didn't.
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speed demon what ai cam u runnin im trying to decide between an ai setup or le myself
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Just stopping in to say hi before this comes to an end. That and to point out that I'm very proud of myself for keeping my mouth shut once again. It's not easy but I'm getting better at it. LOL
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Just lock the thread already. This became just like every other AI vs. LE thread. They should just ban these all together. They are never productive and everyone just starts arguing. I've fallen victim to this madness myself.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Please tell me why there are no pics of the heads. Please tell me why there are no pics of the tops of Elliot's pistons. Please tell me why Elliot had to delete all his recent posts regarding this matter? Please tell me why he has to have his heads replaced. Please tell me why the engine was taken apart when the alleged cracked pistons had yet to be discovered? Please tell me why you feel you must come to Elliot's rescue when he's perfectly capable of making statements for himself?
So what your saying is the heads had nothing to do with the piston rings that were causing blow by? That sure is what it sounds like to me.
The piston blow by caused the tear down dumbass. Not the ******* heads

Elliott can tell you what ever he wants!!! IM just telling you how it is.

Another funny thing is this thread is not even about heads its about a cam. But you idiots had to come in with the bashing
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speed demon what ai cam u runnin im trying to decide between an ai setup or le myself
Custom one, it's not listed on their site. Give them a call and I'm sure Ron and Phil would be happy to take care of you.



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