question about custom cam
05-23-2009, 11:03 AM
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question about custom cam 224/230 .545/.545 with 1.6 rr 110 lsa
will this cam have a strong power band on a full bolt on engine with an automatic. i was wanting something pretty choppy sounding and this is what i have come up with. also will i exsperiance any drivability isues?
will this cam have a strong power band on a full bolt on engine with an automatic. i was wanting something pretty choppy sounding and this is what i have come up with. also will i exsperiance any drivability isues?
05-23-2009, 11:11 AM
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I would do a 223/230 .565/.565 110-109lsa.
What gear ratio are you running? Either cam will have a strong powerband and have a nice lope to it. Maybe put on a electric cut out for some added sound and power. Drivability will be great with either cam. I would look into a stall at some point. Maybe a Yank ss3200 or 3600.
What gear ratio are you running? Either cam will have a strong powerband and have a nice lope to it. Maybe put on a electric cut out for some added sound and power. Drivability will be great with either cam. I would look into a stall at some point. Maybe a Yank ss3200 or 3600.
05-23-2009, 11:14 AM
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Here is a sound clip of my old Lloyd Elliott cam through a Magnaflow catback and a DMH electric cut out. The cam specs were: 223/230 .565/.565 on a 109lsa
http://www.fquick.com/videos/LE2_Z28...c_Cut_out/8212
http://www.fquick.com/videos/LE2_Z28...c_Cut_out/8212
05-23-2009, 12:41 PM
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CompCams offers camshafts specifically designed to give you the lope you want while, at the same time, doesn't have the negatives that normally accompany other lopey cams. They're call THUMPR.
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05-23-2009, 07:03 PM
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I would do a 223/230 .565/.565 110-109lsa.
What gear ratio are you running? Either cam will have a strong powerband and have a nice lope to it. Maybe put on a electric cut out for some added sound and power. Drivability will be great with either cam. I would look into a stall at some point. Maybe a Yank ss3200 or 3600.
What gear ratio are you running? Either cam will have a strong powerband and have a nice lope to it. Maybe put on a electric cut out for some added sound and power. Drivability will be great with either cam. I would look into a stall at some point. Maybe a Yank ss3200 or 3600.
do you have any vacuum issues with a 109 lsa?
05-24-2009, 04:14 AM
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The ramp rate/aggressiveness of the lobes and the overlap of a particular grind have a lot more to do with vacum issues and idle quality than an arbitrary number..
Where and how its going to make power is based on VALVE EVENTS, not one particular spec on a camshaft.
You could have 30 different cams with the same lsa and they would all act different... People act like lsa is a fixed number that carries with it certain characteristics while completely ignoring the rest of the cam specs.
Him telling you if he has vacum issues or not with a 109 will have zero to do with your cam, and how it will behave. Now if you had the same overlap, icl, and lobe profiles then you might be starting to compares apples to apples.
Where and how its going to make power is based on VALVE EVENTS, not one particular spec on a camshaft.
You could have 30 different cams with the same lsa and they would all act different... People act like lsa is a fixed number that carries with it certain characteristics while completely ignoring the rest of the cam specs.
Him telling you if he has vacum issues or not with a 109 will have zero to do with your cam, and how it will behave. Now if you had the same overlap, icl, and lobe profiles then you might be starting to compares apples to apples.
05-24-2009, 07:54 AM
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Now that you got a text book lesson how about a practical one?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
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Now that you got a text book lesson how about a practical one?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
05-24-2009, 02:15 PM
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Now that you got a text book lesson how about a practical one?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
REALITY is that mid 220s intake duration and 110LSA will be fine vacuum wise, certainly lower than stock but still fine.
Lots of folks around here THINK they know what they are talking about, couple who posted in this thread read books and think it makes them qualified to help folks. Actual experiance is a MUCH better teacher, I have the AI 226/234/110 cam, brakes are just fine. Tuning will have a bigger impact on drivability than a cam like this.
You said you want to wait to do beehives. You know you CAN NOT install this cam with stock springs right?
i already have springs good to .550 lift they are the summit springs
05-24-2009, 02:39 PM
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Those wide LSA's (over 112) are a total waste of time. Tighten it up 108ish. The brakes will be fine, the car will sound excellent and make excellent power too.
05-25-2009, 09:03 AM
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Seems to me everyone who has replied that has run a 22X duration 109/110LSA cam has agreed with me though that vacuum is just fine. So I was RIGHT. Instead of man up and admit it, let's change focus to bashing the guy giving good EXPERIANCE/RESULTS based information.
You guys wonder why the average setup is so poor, this is why. You see it as just plain wrong to correct anyone spouting missinterpereted or hell even downright wrong info.
The original poster should be looking for input from guys with RESULTS. A mod list means nothing, just last week a guy went apeshit because I say that ignorance is the primary reason for LT4 kit useage. Rants that it is an awesome kit, then goes to the track this weekend and runs 13.4 at 102, realizes that is NOT vaguely good and comes to this and the other forum looking for help.
Had he been an experianced person who knew what a fast car was like he would not have been ranting that his mid 13 second heads/cam setup was awesome. I do think it will be faster as he sorts out some tuning or mechanical issues that are likely present. Still though prime example of someone who thinks they are experianced and doing well till they MEASURE the result.
You guys wonder why the average setup is so poor, this is why. You see it as just plain wrong to correct anyone spouting missinterpereted or hell even downright wrong info.
The original poster should be looking for input from guys with RESULTS. A mod list means nothing, just last week a guy went apeshit because I say that ignorance is the primary reason for LT4 kit useage. Rants that it is an awesome kit, then goes to the track this weekend and runs 13.4 at 102, realizes that is NOT vaguely good and comes to this and the other forum looking for help.
Had he been an experianced person who knew what a fast car was like he would not have been ranting that his mid 13 second heads/cam setup was awesome. I do think it will be faster as he sorts out some tuning or mechanical issues that are likely present. Still though prime example of someone who thinks they are experianced and doing well till they MEASURE the result.
05-25-2009, 12:13 PM
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Seems to me everyone who has replied that has run a 22X duration 109/110LSA cam has agreed with me though that vacuum is just fine. So I was RIGHT. Instead of man up and admit it, let's change focus to bashing the guy giving good EXPERIANCE/RESULTS based information.
You guys wonder why the average setup is so poor, this is why. You see it as just plain wrong to correct anyone spouting missinterpereted or hell even downright wrong info.
The original poster should be looking for input from guys with RESULTS. A mod list means nothing, just last week a guy went apeshit because I say that ignorance is the primary reason for LT4 kit useage. Rants that it is an awesome kit, then goes to the track this weekend and runs 13.4 at 102, realizes that is NOT vaguely good and comes to this and the other forum looking for help.
Had he been an experianced person who knew what a fast car was like he would not have been ranting that his mid 13 second heads/cam setup was awesome. I do think it will be faster as he sorts out some tuning or mechanical issues that are likely present. Still though prime example of someone who thinks they are experianced and doing well till they MEASURE the result.
You guys wonder why the average setup is so poor, this is why. You see it as just plain wrong to correct anyone spouting missinterpereted or hell even downright wrong info.
The original poster should be looking for input from guys with RESULTS. A mod list means nothing, just last week a guy went apeshit because I say that ignorance is the primary reason for LT4 kit useage. Rants that it is an awesome kit, then goes to the track this weekend and runs 13.4 at 102, realizes that is NOT vaguely good and comes to this and the other forum looking for help.
Had he been an experianced person who knew what a fast car was like he would not have been ranting that his mid 13 second heads/cam setup was awesome. I do think it will be faster as he sorts out some tuning or mechanical issues that are likely present. Still though prime example of someone who thinks they are experianced and doing well till they MEASURE the result.
05-25-2009, 12:32 PM
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Who am I bashing.
What you have to do is stop trying to find reasons to bash me and just admit when I am right. Rather than "your right but your an *******" You always have to work in some comment to discredit me even when forced to agree.
I can disagree with someone in one thread and help them in the next. That is because I disagree but try not to argue. There is a difference. You try and argue bu blindly bashing as often as possible even when you agree with me.
Far as people manning up, the guy who bashed my opinion of the LT4 package then put up poor times went and deleted the threads on both boards. Pretty typical, once proven wrong DENY DENY DENY rather than LEARN.
What you have to do is stop trying to find reasons to bash me and just admit when I am right. Rather than "your right but your an *******" You always have to work in some comment to discredit me even when forced to agree.
I can disagree with someone in one thread and help them in the next. That is because I disagree but try not to argue. There is a difference. You try and argue bu blindly bashing as often as possible even when you agree with me.
Far as people manning up, the guy who bashed my opinion of the LT4 package then put up poor times went and deleted the threads on both boards. Pretty typical, once proven wrong DENY DENY DENY rather than LEARN.
05-25-2009, 01:02 PM
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Well... since everyone else is giving their opinions, I shall give mine.
I have a 231/239 cam and the brakes seemed fine but either I have beat the crap out of them (possible) or I am losing braking power. However, the 400 miles I drove it before the brakes decided to go down hill the brakes were excellent.
I have a 231/239 cam and the brakes seemed fine but either I have beat the crap out of them (possible) or I am losing braking power. However, the 400 miles I drove it before the brakes decided to go down hill the brakes were excellent.
