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Old 06-12-2009 | 07:16 PM
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These people you speak of were running a 3.23 gear on a 28" tire?
Doesn't matter if the stall gets the car in the power range it still has to move with that gear.
Old 06-12-2009 | 07:22 PM
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Who **** in your cornflakes today? It wont be a turd. The 3.23's should work fine, not the best, but they will work. I've seen guys with stock rears running low 11's in the 118's. Hell most Vette guys are running stock 3.42's. The 4000rpm stall will put him in his power range, not his gears. Stop being so negative and angry man, geez.

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Don't worry about him man.. he finds anything to nit-pick at on here.
Old 06-12-2009 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
These people you speak of were running a 3.23 gear on a 28" tire?
Doesn't matter if the stall gets the car in the power range it still has to move with that gear.
If anyone is an expert on why a car won't get out the hole......I would ask them what they think
Old 06-12-2009 | 07:43 PM
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It's merely an opinion not to be taken personal. Please don't mistake a car's performance or lack thereof for killing a baby...
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My personal opinion is with the weight reduction you have 100#=100hp so I would say your probly going to be low 9's or better.


or then again it might run 12.20's too.... you should go try it out and then we will know for sure
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No way does 100# = 100hp. A decent (read: not perfect) rule of thumb is for every 100# of weight reduction, a car will usually respond with around a .10-.15 second in ET. That equates more to about 10-20hp/100#'s.

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Originally Posted by skinnies
You might be surprised how long 10 bolts can last, just don't spray them out of the hole, spray 10 feet out and I had good luck with them. Now spraying them out the gate left me with a few broken ones, but after I started spraying 10 feet out no problems for a full year, racing it all the time. Also did the turbo build and left on that same 10 bolt(bone stock 3.42 rear end from an ls1 car) in the mid 1.5x range with no problems at all on the track, and left even harder on the street.
10feet huh i guess thats what ill be doing then lolol really thats it 10feet????? My main thing is 11's on motor and low 10.0 on juice im happy so anything better than 10.0[COLOR="Red"][U]

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Old 06-13-2009 | 12:12 AM
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jan231986, please refrain from using profanity in your posts. It will not be allowed. I edited your last post to remove it.

Thanks, Jason
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Originally Posted by Bersaglieri
Who **** in your cornflakes today? It wont be a turd. The 3.23's should work fine, not the best, but they will work. I've seen guys with stock rears running low 11's in the 118's. Hell most Vette guys are running stock 3.42's. The 4000rpm stall will put him in his power range, not his gears. Stop being so negative and angry man, geez.

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It's all the OPs fault, as he mentioned the letters LE. Instead of some guys insulting all the time, maybe they should be working on their own turds like the rest of us. LOL I mean 11.90s is considered pretty lame for a SR big cube small block by most people, but lets bash others ideas or set-ups. Oh and then once again lets try and make it look like no harm was meant. SSDD!!
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My fault Jason
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Next thing on your list is to invest in a nice rearend, 9", 12-bolt, or S60 and put a nice gear on it (3.73 )
Maybe full suspension if not done already
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Guys, please don't turn this into a fight over each others setups. We all want to make power, but not everyone uses their car for the same purpose. Let's focus on staying constructive here

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Originally Posted by Z-RATED94
It's all the OPs fault, as he mentioned the letters LE. Instead of some guys insulting all the time, maybe they should be working on their own turds like the rest of us. LOL I mean 11.90s is considered pretty lame for a SR big cube small block by most people, but lets bash others ideas or set-ups. Oh and then once again lets try and make it look like no harm was meant. SSDD!!
Oh it's 11.90's now? Next year you'll claim 12.5's..
It is pretty lame and the reason why it is lame is because the gear and tire used is wrong for the combination. I am crossing the traps at 4 to 5000rpm when my peak is at 6800rpm. You do the math. It'll be the same concept for this setup in this thread. Sure it'll run what you and most others will think are neato times, but that gearing will rob power beyond your comprehension.
Oh, and please spare the whining about LE. It has nothing to do with that. Is there anything technical you would like to add to this thread regarding how a 28" tire and 3.23 gears will be just fine or would you rather whine? It's really up to you. The OP asked what it would run. Opinions were given. You don't like it then wipe yourself and move on.

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Originally Posted by jan231986
the car is completely gutted and extra unneccessary metal cut out. All i have it 1 seat and couple gauges. Im hoping that on motor ill be running 11's or less. With a 200shot im hoping low 10's. Im also going to have a 100shot just for emergency

I dont have the cash for a R/E right now since money got cut for a emergency so im running a stock R/E for now. The 27" tires were givin to me for free so i cant complain. Plus i herd by me having a 27"tall and a 3.23 its like having a 3.08. So by having that low of a gear maybe my R/E will last a little longer.Maybe ill be able to use the 200 out the gate ratherthan waiting couple secs for it to turn on. Im taking everything step by step right now but ill keep everyone posted.
As mentioned, if you have a way to set your on and off points, set the nitrous to come on right after the car starts moving or right above your stall rating. The nitrous will help with the 3.23 gears, which if nothing else isn't that bad of a ratio with the spray and is at least a little stronger than a 3.73 gear set. Do you at least have a TA cover? My "turd" with a 10 bolt has a few high 1.4x 60 ft. times under its belt.
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Originally Posted by Z-RATED94
Do you at least have a TA cover? My "turd" with a 10 bolt has a few high 1.4x 60 ft. times under its belt.
I smoked two 10 bolts and 1 4L60e with just bolt ons. The last 4L60e I did have a cam. Some live, some dont.

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Originally Posted by Bersaglieri
I smoked two 10 bolts and 1 4L60e with just bolt ons. The last 4L60e I did have a cam. Some live, some dont.

-Dustin-
You at least have the TA cover? It does help the 10 bolt minutely, and it needs all the help it can get. I have the parts to triangulate the rear also and will be trying that as an experiment.
Stock trans too, with a few tweeks done to it. I'm trying to hold off until the crap breaks before replacing it. What are we talking, about 5-6 grand for a nice trans and rearend? What a money pit.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Oh it's 11.90's now? Next year you'll claim 12.5's..
It is pretty lame and the reason why it is lame is because the gear and tire used is wrong for the combination. I am crossing the traps at 4 to 5000rpm when my peak is at 6800rpm. You do the math. It'll be the same concept for this setup in this thread. Sure it'll run what you and most others will think are neato times, but that gearing will rob power beyond your comprehension.
Oh, and please spare the whining about LE. It has nothing to do with that. Is there anything technical you would like to add to this thread regarding how a 28" tire and 3.23 gears will be just fine or would you rather whine? It's really up to you. The OP asked what it would run. Opinions were given. You don't like it then wipe yourself and move on.
If you are goin through traps anywhere near 4k after shifting at 6800, you need a better converter. You shift extension should be no where NEAR that low.

I ran 3.23's, 325/50/15 for awhile with my 355le3 setup, with the pure nitrous built coan converter and a th400(no steep 1st gear) it'd leave plenty fine, shift extension was good enough it wouldn't drop out of the power band at all. I also switched to a 3.73 rear end then ended up with the 3.42 rear end, not much difference once you got moving.

My camaro also went wheels up on the street on the 3.23 rear end, although it was with a 275/40/17 mt dr so a 26" tire, but I had a good yank PT stall also.

Plain and simple, if you have a good converter, the lower gear won't hurt you that much.
Old 06-14-2009 | 01:45 PM
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That car will be bad *** but would benifit a bit from better gearing but it will, still run great the way it is!!!!
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i got a stock 3.23 still in my car and i spray it but of course im not making any serious Power.I been doing it for 2 hole summers now going on Numb.3
Godd luck with that badass build "Jan231986"
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Originally Posted by skinnies
If you are goin through traps anywhere near 4k after shifting at 6800, you need a better converter. You shift extension should be no where NEAR that low.

I ran 3.23's, 325/50/15 for awhile with my 355le3 setup, with the pure nitrous built coan converter and a th400(no steep 1st gear) it'd leave plenty fine, shift extension was good enough it wouldn't drop out of the power band at all. I also switched to a 3.73 rear end then ended up with the 3.42 rear end, not much difference once you got moving.

My camaro also went wheels up on the street on the 3.23 rear end, although it was with a 275/40/17 mt dr so a 26" tire, but I had a good yank PT stall also.

Plain and simple, if you have a good converter, the lower gear won't hurt you that much.
Where you spraying out the gate ? If so how much? I always wonder if my R/E can handle that But i dont have $$$ to replace **** right now


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