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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin97ss
I'm running these in the 1.8 ratio on my LT1 with a Hotcam.
I don't think stock heads would even benefit from that high of a lift. Could be wrong though.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
You should be using the exact same on each. Lifters determine the preload, not rockers.
Yes but doesn't mean the same preload were actually put on both times. Long ago I had my cc503 installed by a shop who adjusted my rockers to 1/2" turn with my stock lifters. When I changed my setup a year later I did the work myself and used an 1/8" turn or so (recommend by Lloyd) again with the same stock lifters. I've seen people run between 1/16" turn to beyond a 1/2" turn with the stock lifters. You just never know considering it could have been doen by someone else before that has different opinions on preload and whatnot.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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1/2 turn was used on the 1.7's. Pretty sure 1/2 turn was used on the 1.6's too, but not 100%.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
1/2 turn was used on the 1.7's. Pretty sure 1/2 turn was used on the 1.6's too, but not 100%.
I think I'm going to switch to the new 1.7's regardless but if they are infact quieter that would be amazing!
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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Always awesome when new parts improve the car! Gonna do any track or dyno tests to verify any gains?
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:11 PM
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Dammit this had to come up the day I'm ordering rockers. Think I'll stick w the ultras unless someone can prove the SS are that much better.

The ultras are designed to be super light over the nose and very ridgid.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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yea were tryin to find a good tuner around here to do a full tune. Not sure about LPE anymore since they sold. I think speed inc. is going to be our best bet, but it's almost 4hrs away!
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Originally Posted by gregrob
Dammit this had to come up the day I'm ordering rockers. Think I'll stick w the ultras unless someone can prove the SS are that much better.

The ultras are designed to be super light over the nose and very ridgid.
There is nothing wrong with the ultra promags From what I've seen! The regular promags are the ones that seem to have issues.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
I don't think stock heads would even benefit from that high of a lift. Could be wrong though.
Lift was not the reason I chose the 1.8's. Valve speed plays a more crucial part in the equasion as does time at max port flow.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin97ss
Lift was not the reason I chose the 1.8's. Valve speed plays a more crucial part in the equasion as does time at max port flow.
does the rocker have more of an effect on valve speed than the cam? I always wonder why people step up the rocker ratio increasing valve train pressures and stress instead of going with higher lift on the cam.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
does the rocker have more of an effect on valve speed than the cam? I always wonder why people step up the rocker ratio increasing valve train pressures and stress instead of going with higher lift on the cam.
Yes the higher ratio will speed up the valve action a little.

I would prefer to get extra lift with the rocker as opposed to a bigger cam lobe. The taller lobe MIGHT be much "faster" that COULD result in a loss of valve control.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
I don't think stock heads would even benefit from that high of a lift. Could be wrong though.
Lift is .590 with that. How could it NOT help? It wouldn't raise the powerband would it?
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by z_speedfreak
does the rocker have more of an effect on valve speed than the cam? I always wonder why people step up the rocker ratio increasing valve train pressures and stress instead of going with higher lift on the cam.
No, you can make a larger change at the cam than at the rocker but you can only get so aggressive with the lobe ramp before needing serious springs and light weight parts to keep the valvetrain under control.

Rockers multiply every aspect of the cams profile, and also the springs rate in both directions.
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Lift is .590 with that. How could it NOT help? It wouldn't raise the powerband would it?
From my experience it makes more power in the same RPM range.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin97ss
From my experience it makes more power in the same RPM range.
That's what I would assume. Sure at some point you hit the flow limit of the heads and you won't see gains, but I think you'll touch the pistons before you hit that point.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Just gonna throw my .02 in about longevity of the comp SS rockers...I've had mine for 14 years, 54,000 miles, and countless 1/4 mile passes...They are very durable...

--Alan
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Lift is .590 with that. How could it NOT help? It wouldn't raise the powerband would it?
A bit more torque & power in the existing torque/power band.
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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^Yep, the power curve should be the same other than hp/tq will raise 5-10whp/5-10wtq across the board.
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