LTX Shootout Extreme Street Class!!!
Tony and Taner both have 23 degree heads. I don't know what you're talking about. Just the intake, and PCM but that wasn't my argument. I was just saying that simply because you drive the car on the street doesn't make it a valid argument to fit in this class.
Not streetable, lol. I can hope in my 3 speed, go cruise down the highway at 75mph at 2350rpm, it's all about gearing/tire height, and I can still run low 10's.
That being said, I think the 3 speeds with no transbrake should be allowed in this class in my opinion. I don't see the real advantage of a 3 speed vs a an OD for this class. I've daily drove 3 speeds without a problem, and hell my 3 speed in my rx7 turns less rpm down the highway than my OD did in my close to stock firebird 5 years ago.
That being said, I think the 3 speeds with no transbrake should be allowed in this class in my opinion. I don't see the real advantage of a 3 speed vs a an OD for this class. I've daily drove 3 speeds without a problem, and hell my 3 speed in my rx7 turns less rpm down the highway than my OD did in my close to stock firebird 5 years ago.
ES is limited to a 28" tire. A TH350 is the lightest of the 3 autos at around 130 lbs. TH400 is next at around 140 lbs and the 4L60E is around 175 lbs. So, no they're not heavier.
th400 robs more power though.
I think that 3 speeds should be allowed but no transbrakes. There are some people who drive their 3 speeds on the street. But it order to keep it fair with all of the 4L60E guys just keep it footbrake only.
i drive mine on the street with no problem as well as most of my friends with the Wolfe anti roll bar 
many ppl leave better and harder without the brake. i agree with not allowing it. although it sucks for the few that put it in for strength if it was allowed for you guys itd open the door to alot of guys that put it in for racing and hav a racecar that fits the rules of a street car.
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Yes I was refering to intake and PCM. Those are the real limiting factors imao. But like I was saying my opinion doesn't count. You guys do want you want. You are the ones putting this together. If I can make the next event I will.
many ppl leave better and harder without the brake. i agree with not allowing it. although it sucks for the few that put it in for strength if it was allowed for you guys itd open the door to alot of guys that put it in for racing and hav a racecar that fits the rules of a street car.
Exactly, so what is the advantage of using it over the 4l60e?
How does a rmvb make the car faster than a 60e? You can get a non lockup converter for a 60e so that doesn't matter, and the 60e has a STEEPER first gear to allow a better 60ft. The 3 speed is lighter, but with a weight limit it that shouldn't matter either. So again, how is the 3 speed such a huge advantage?
I like the arguement about 9"/12bolts/etc, people are adding steeping gears(less driveable like a 3 speed since so many people think 3 speeds are not streetable
) and doing it for more RELIABILITY. Not because they give a big advantage, but because they make the car more reliable, same as throwing in a th400 in my opinion.
Oh I should also point out my 3 speed cruises less rpm down the highway than my stock geared TBSS. Maybe it isn't streetable either.
I like the arguement about 9"/12bolts/etc, people are adding steeping gears(less driveable like a 3 speed since so many people think 3 speeds are not streetable
) and doing it for more RELIABILITY. Not because they give a big advantage, but because they make the car more reliable, same as throwing in a th400 in my opinion. Oh I should also point out my 3 speed cruises less rpm down the highway than my stock geared TBSS. Maybe it isn't streetable either.
Exactly, so what is the advantage of using it over the 4l60e?
How does a rmvb make the car faster than a 60e? You can get a non lockup converter for a 60e so that doesn't matter, and the 60e has a STEEPER first gear to allow a better 60ft. The 3 speed is lighter, but with a weight limit it that shouldn't matter either. So again, how is the 3 speed such a huge advantage?
I like the arguement about 9"/12bolts/etc, people are adding steeping gears(less driveable like a 3 speed since so many people think 3 speeds are not streetable) and doing it for more RELIABILITY. Not because they give a big advantage, but because they make the car more reliable, same as throwing in a th400 in my opinion.
Oh I should also point out my 3 speed cruises less rpm down the highway than my stock geared TBSS. Maybe it isn't streetable either.
How does a rmvb make the car faster than a 60e? You can get a non lockup converter for a 60e so that doesn't matter, and the 60e has a STEEPER first gear to allow a better 60ft. The 3 speed is lighter, but with a weight limit it that shouldn't matter either. So again, how is the 3 speed such a huge advantage?
I like the arguement about 9"/12bolts/etc, people are adding steeping gears(less driveable like a 3 speed since so many people think 3 speeds are not streetable
) and doing it for more RELIABILITY. Not because they give a big advantage, but because they make the car more reliable, same as throwing in a th400 in my opinion. Oh I should also point out my 3 speed cruises less rpm down the highway than my stock geared TBSS. Maybe it isn't streetable either.
We all know no one could possibly run faster than a 10.0 on a stock-style transmission. Oh wait...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTd6kB0TuUk
who runs a non lockup converter in their 60E? rick in the Ai racecar? dont bullshit me, you know the steep first gear is a liability if your car is making any power, or, like youself running around in a 2500 lb car. my stock t56 isnt going to hold up very long, but im not running out for a liberty or jericho trans...
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aside from the better gear split of the th400 and th350 over the 4L60e, what advantage do they have in performance? aside from being able to make it through a night of racing without junking out.
no different than a 6spd car running a 9". what performance benefit does it have over a 10bolt, aside from being able to hold up to a 6k launch on slicks?
if you allow a non stock (and even a non-GM) rearend in the car, why not allow a 100%GM tranny, with a stock valve body?
no different than a 6spd car running a 9". what performance benefit does it have over a 10bolt, aside from being able to hold up to a 6k launch on slicks?
if you allow a non stock (and even a non-GM) rearend in the car, why not allow a 100%GM tranny, with a stock valve body?
You guys have a bunch to learn about transmissions!
1. The TH-400 can be built so that it robs less HP than a 4L60E.
2. There is a huge advantage to be had by running a 3-speed if you know what to run.
3. I have seen mild gains running a RMVB in some transmission applications.
4. There are a lot of different gear sets available for TH-350's, etc.
5. If you were to open up the transmission rule a smart racer could pick up as much as three tenths over a 4L60E with your average 3600-4000 converter.
Just my two cents, but allowing non-stock transmissions could change the character of this class. Come run Mod N/A!
1. The TH-400 can be built so that it robs less HP than a 4L60E.
2. There is a huge advantage to be had by running a 3-speed if you know what to run.
3. I have seen mild gains running a RMVB in some transmission applications.
4. There are a lot of different gear sets available for TH-350's, etc.
5. If you were to open up the transmission rule a smart racer could pick up as much as three tenths over a 4L60E with your average 3600-4000 converter.
Just my two cents, but allowing non-stock transmissions could change the character of this class. Come run Mod N/A!