LT1 Plastic/Composite intake (might happen)
04-12-2010, 12:00 PM
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Anything that does not retain heat like our Godawful manifold would be an improvement. Don't care if it's even the exact same design, just keep the heat away.
04-12-2010, 12:05 PM
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Too bad I don't know where my photoshopped drawings are on the LS1 for LT1 went. I hacked together how it would need to look in order to have the ports correct, since LS1 is 0-0-0-0 and we are -00-00-. I'll try and dig them up but I doubt it'd be much help anyways lol But if you can manage to make an intake that has the LT runner layout, but basically an exact copy to the LS intake, then you'd just (I know, easier to say than do) need to make the molds of it. Not exactly sure how you would manage to make a casting of the intake though since you would basically need to drop it in a vat of wax, let that harden and then somehow manage to take the outter shell off intact and cut the intake apart while not fudging the inner molding. Then cast that wax mold, melt and drain the wax, and make the composite intake from the new cast :\ Then again, I don't exactly know how they do intakes to begin with, as I've never really thought about it, so I could be way off base...
And I'd go with using the LS throttle body. Would make life easier.
If anything... just make a composite version of our stock/LT4 intake and call it good. Keep in mind you need to either make or sell a lifter valley pan to keep the hot oil from splashing onto the bottom of the intake and shocking (cracking) it
And I'd go with using the LS throttle body. Would make life easier.
If anything... just make a composite version of our stock/LT4 intake and call it good. Keep in mind you need to either make or sell a lifter valley pan to keep the hot oil from splashing onto the bottom of the intake and shocking (cracking) it
04-12-2010, 12:36 PM
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If you are really going to do this you NEED TO CONTACT my family's good freind and wizard porting master Fred Tarr here http://www.sevenranges.com/
His father and him own and run this foundry for as long as I can remember back to child hood.
Never in my life have I felt my manifold or my fathers get hot to touch you must still have a stock therm and fan settings. Throw a 160t-stat and manual fan switch with a good electric pump and you should never see over 180*max even in 100+ outside temp.
His father and him own and run this foundry for as long as I can remember back to child hood.
Never in my life have I felt my manifold or my fathers get hot to touch you must still have a stock therm and fan settings. Throw a 160t-stat and manual fan switch with a good electric pump and you should never see over 180*max even in 100+ outside temp.
04-12-2010, 12:42 PM
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good luck with that, the lt1 intake is pretty good. sure, the stealth ram is a better intake but they are expensive!!! when converted for our 4th gen engine bay. I don't think many of us lt1 guys will pay what a FAST intake cost for a composite. The LT1 is the 5.0 of yesterday every broke teenage kid that can't afford a ls1 buys one.
They are pricey, although it may be a good option for a H/C car.
04-13-2010, 06:17 AM
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Wasn't that part of GM's fix of the intake gasket leak problem that seemed to plague most of GM's engines in the 90s? I thought the o-ring design was to allow for the heat expansion and contraction of the different mating surface materials while maintaining a seal. Or was I dreaming that up?
04-13-2010, 10:27 AM
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Wasn't that part of GM's fix of the intake gasket leak problem that seemed to plague most of GM's engines in the 90s? I thought the o-ring design was to allow for the heat expansion and contraction of the different mating surface materials while maintaining a seal. Or was I dreaming that up?
04-13-2010, 02:55 PM
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Im not sure what process will be used to make the first mold, but i was told it can be done. I was also told they have done bigger molds than this intake.
The pictures of the tooling and press looks impressive.
illusions
You made good points, most of which i will talk about later, main thing would be to make it show performance gain and be affordable or it would be a waste. That being said, we plan to do this at low cost. My buddy has experience in this area and has connection to get it done. We have started creating a model on AutoCAD, and 3D MAX.
STOCKTA
Good idea, more plenum volume is the target and thick cross section. Thanks for the link i'll check out the site.
I8ASaleen
I agree, ive been looking at few different ways to go about the heat from lifter valley. If its possible to come up with something similar to the LSX might go that direction.
Formula350
Not too concerned about the molding process, this may be a 2 or 3 piece intake similar to FAST LSX, with individual runners that can be replaced or modified.
86formula
I cant give an answer to that since we are still trying to figure out what it will end up.
Wicked94
Why was the wilson project scrapped?
myltwon
As of now, keeping the intake mating surface and bolt pattern like factory unless we find away to adapt LSX o-ring gasket.
bombebomb
At the moment havent really thought about marketing all that much, at least until we have something to show for. Only thing so far is couple sketches and waiting on info to get the mold done.
RamAir95T
Started out being just for personal project, but has striked up interest with colleagues which brought up about making multiple intake if all goes well.
Im not sure what process will be used to make the first mold, but i was told it can be done. I was also told they have done bigger molds than this intake.
The pictures of the tooling and press looks impressive.
illusions
You made good points, most of which i will talk about later, main thing would be to make it show performance gain and be affordable or it would be a waste. That being said, we plan to do this at low cost. My buddy has experience in this area and has connection to get it done. We have started creating a model on AutoCAD, and 3D MAX.
STOCKTA
Good idea, more plenum volume is the target and thick cross section. Thanks for the link i'll check out the site.
I8ASaleen
I agree, ive been looking at few different ways to go about the heat from lifter valley. If its possible to come up with something similar to the LSX might go that direction.
Formula350
Not too concerned about the molding process, this may be a 2 or 3 piece intake similar to FAST LSX, with individual runners that can be replaced or modified.
86formula
I cant give an answer to that since we are still trying to figure out what it will end up.
Wicked94
Why was the wilson project scrapped?
myltwon
As of now, keeping the intake mating surface and bolt pattern like factory unless we find away to adapt LSX o-ring gasket.
bombebomb
At the moment havent really thought about marketing all that much, at least until we have something to show for. Only thing so far is couple sketches and waiting on info to get the mold done.
RamAir95T
Started out being just for personal project, but has striked up interest with colleagues which brought up about making multiple intake if all goes well.
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04-13-2010, 03:01 PM
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a composite single plane (ltx specific - no thermostat housing, and the correct bolt pattern, etc) and a matching elbow that uses our style of throttle body would be cool
04-14-2010, 12:07 AM
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There is no way you are going to use the port shapes from any ls1 the injectors and runners are different and the spacing is going to be different. Its also going to be a pain to get all the vacuum ports and vents right. I would suggest aftermarket fuel rail so it would give you some more options on the mounting of them. He what my cut up manifold came out like.
Stock
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/DSC03892.jpg
gutted
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...DSC03866-1.jpg
This is why its going to be hard to copy the ls1 runners cause we aren't setup to run longer runners. Although something like this will wake up a car.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...DSC03877-1.jpg
Here is the rail setup. The plastic is going to have to be thick or have some curves or webbing cause I can get this thick *** aluminum to flex a bit with just a good bump on the throttle.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/DSC03887.jpg
Stock
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/DSC03892.jpg
gutted
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...DSC03866-1.jpg
This is why its going to be hard to copy the ls1 runners cause we aren't setup to run longer runners. Although something like this will wake up a car.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...DSC03877-1.jpg
Here is the rail setup. The plastic is going to have to be thick or have some curves or webbing cause I can get this thick *** aluminum to flex a bit with just a good bump on the throttle.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/DSC03887.jpg