LT1 Plastic/Composite intake (might happen)
12-07-2010, 08:35 AM
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I think it is admirable that you want to try to do this. It is not my intention to discourage you, and I hope you manage to successfully do it. However, it is important to note that the intake manifold has never been the restriction for the overwhelming majority of applications. The issue has always been the cylinder head, and many who buy entry level head work disparage the factory manifold as an excuse for their mediocre performance.
We have proven time and time again that we can alter the factory manifold to support 600hp+ with less than $500 worth of work applied to it. Consider that the average build is 100-200hp down from that mark. To actually sell a quality part, your price point will likely have to be so low that you are actually paying for people to have your part. The other option is to sell low end work, which may work well for you since many of the LT parts buyers are buying parts for the first time, and out of inexperience choose products based on price & forum posts vs. actual results and value.
I hope you do see this through and succeed, but I would suggest it is worth consideration that A. this isn't the first time someone has thought of this and B. people with far more resources and capital than most have passed due to the ROI simply not being there.
Good luck!
-Phil
We have proven time and time again that we can alter the factory manifold to support 600hp+ with less than $500 worth of work applied to it. Consider that the average build is 100-200hp down from that mark. To actually sell a quality part, your price point will likely have to be so low that you are actually paying for people to have your part. The other option is to sell low end work, which may work well for you since many of the LT parts buyers are buying parts for the first time, and out of inexperience choose products based on price & forum posts vs. actual results and value.
I hope you do see this through and succeed, but I would suggest it is worth consideration that A. this isn't the first time someone has thought of this and B. people with far more resources and capital than most have passed due to the ROI simply not being there.
Good luck!
-Phil
05-19-2011, 07:30 AM
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yep...........i made 447rwhp through a big *** converter and s4.56's and slicks with a stock LT1 intake ported by AI.......ran well into the 10's at 127+mph........the stock intake a ton of capability........more than people crack it up to have...........
05-19-2011, 09:12 AM
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One of the problems with the stang intake was it had hot coolant running through the front half of the intake, when they made it a seperate aluminum peice I never seen a crack again in those.
11-27-2011, 02:06 AM
#90
I think it is admirable that you want to try to do this. It is not my intention to discourage you, and I hope you manage to successfully do it. However, it is important to note that the intake manifold has never been the restriction for the overwhelming majority of applications. The issue has always been the cylinder head, and many who buy entry level head work disparage the factory manifold as an excuse for their mediocre performance.
We have proven time and time again that we can alter the factory manifold to support 600hp+ with less than $500 worth of work applied to it. Consider that the average build is 100-200hp down from that mark. To actually sell a quality part, your price point will likely have to be so low that you are actually paying for people to have your part. The other option is to sell low end work, which may work well for you since many of the LT parts buyers are buying parts for the first time, and out of inexperience choose products based on price & forum posts vs. actual results and value.
I hope you do see this through and succeed, but I would suggest it is worth consideration that A. this isn't the first time someone has thought of this and B. people with far more resources and capital than most have passed due to the ROI simply not being there.
Good luck!
-Phil
We have proven time and time again that we can alter the factory manifold to support 600hp+ with less than $500 worth of work applied to it. Consider that the average build is 100-200hp down from that mark. To actually sell a quality part, your price point will likely have to be so low that you are actually paying for people to have your part. The other option is to sell low end work, which may work well for you since many of the LT parts buyers are buying parts for the first time, and out of inexperience choose products based on price & forum posts vs. actual results and value.
I hope you do see this through and succeed, but I would suggest it is worth consideration that A. this isn't the first time someone has thought of this and B. people with far more resources and capital than most have passed due to the ROI simply not being there.
Good luck!
-Phil
Just from a heatsink standpoint a composite intake would be a plus.
11-27-2011, 08:51 AM
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You are blindly arguing rather than reading his post and in doing such proved his point about the ignorance of this community. He never said it was the best option just that is was not the restriction for the vast majority and few can benefit from another option.
Beyond that the single plane is done a LOT more often than it should be and a few guys have even admitted it was a big mistake for their set though most choose to blindly defend anything they have done good or bad.
Hell I had one guy with an f-body I ran into at the track that was slower than my Caprice despite more mods tell me weight doesn't really matter. Had to have some excuse why his 500lbs lighter car was slower with more money sunk into it.
Look at what the FAST manifolds cost and the LSx platform will many times over outsell the LTx, a plastic LTx manifold would be much like the Dart block the price needed to offset the development and tooling costs would crush sales to the point where it would be a money loser.
Beyond that the single plane is done a LOT more often than it should be and a few guys have even admitted it was a big mistake for their set though most choose to blindly defend anything they have done good or bad.
Hell I had one guy with an f-body I ran into at the track that was slower than my Caprice despite more mods tell me weight doesn't really matter. Had to have some excuse why his 500lbs lighter car was slower with more money sunk into it.
Look at what the FAST manifolds cost and the LSx platform will many times over outsell the LTx, a plastic LTx manifold would be much like the Dart block the price needed to offset the development and tooling costs would crush sales to the point where it would be a money loser.
11-27-2011, 10:32 AM
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the most stress on the cross over was because ford bolted a damn brace for the alternator to it. i must have replaced 20 of them over the years. they always filled up the pass side back 2 plugs hole with coolant.
11-27-2011, 03:17 PM
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One idea, make it like the new AFR intakes, divorced uppers and lowers, that way you can mix and match uppers to lowers, LS upper/runners on LT Lower etc. hell you can probably piggy back off of their stuff. That way you can make the upper able to come off and be really really ported quite easily.
11-27-2011, 04:28 PM
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One idea, make it like the new AFR intakes, divorced uppers and lowers, that way you can mix and match uppers to lowers, LS upper/runners on LT Lower etc. hell you can probably piggy back off of their stuff. That way you can make the upper able to come off and be really really ported quite easily.
11-27-2011, 06:08 PM
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if you upgrade to a single plane and don't pick up, well you're doing something wrong. at which point you should put down the wrenches and step away from the car! lol!!!!
i picked up a ton with my conversion.
.......but whatever...... i would love to put the new single plane plastic intake on my motor, but i don't think they offer an efi application. not that i have checked their website recently. weight and heat soak are two benefits.
my junk has gone 10.09 at 3550 #'s, it has a n20 cam in it, and i have to shift a transmission.
if a lt manifold were to be made i would hope they could do a single plane design, but that is me being selfish.
i picked up a ton with my conversion.
.......but whatever...... i would love to put the new single plane plastic intake on my motor, but i don't think they offer an efi application. not that i have checked their website recently. weight and heat soak are two benefits.
my junk has gone 10.09 at 3550 #'s, it has a n20 cam in it, and i have to shift a transmission.
if a lt manifold were to be made i would hope they could do a single plane design, but that is me being selfish.
11-27-2011, 06:55 PM
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I believe that all the people putting this project down don't really want the ltx platform to grow...i mean someone has to have ideas and try to make them work wether they fail or not. The OP has to try...or maybe he succeed and only makes one, and tells the rest of us to F off. I believe we should encourage someone to there goals. Hey OP give it your best shot and leave nothing to doubt!! Just my .02
11-27-2011, 07:08 PM
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Plastic single plane sounds like the easiest and best option so far. Not sure on how you would get the runners to match diff size head runners tho but im sure ls1 guys already have that figured out....