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Old Jun 19, 2010 | 03:14 PM
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Royal Purple is overrated, no better than Castrol or Mobil1.

Check out Amsoil or Redline if you really want the best gear oils out there.
Not calling any of you liars, but does anyone have proof/evidence/documentation of any kind that royal purple isn't one of the best lubricants? or are these all just opinions?
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Old Jun 19, 2010 | 03:45 PM
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I never said that RP isn't decent oil I just stated that they are the most expensive. Considering that they are attempting to charge hard working people 9.50 + for a quart of oil, the burden of proof is on them. I have yet to see any evidence that royal purple is even marginally better than moderately priced synthetics such as Mobil 1, Castrol, etc and that is talking about motor oils. When discussing gear oil I think the differences are even less discernible not to mention I would not put synthetic gear oil in any cluthc style posi. Good ol dino oil is best for them. The only time I have ever considered getting the best oil I can get is in my snowmobile which normally does not see less than 8,000 rpm from the time it is warmed up until I put the cover back on and for that application I use Amsoil. my .02
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Old Jun 20, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Not calling any of you liars, but does anyone have proof/evidence/documentation of any kind that royal purple isn't one of the best lubricants? or are these all just opinions?
I guess what I said was just opinion, however I don't just blindly form opinions. I've read a bit about this stuff in various random places like magazines and reputable websites in the past in my spare time. With that combined with word of mouth from guys that I go to the racetrack with or others I meet there I form my opinions.

Definately not saying Royal Purple sucks, I just don't believe it's one of the best oils out there, but still a very good oil.

You can't get Redline or Amsoil at Autozone for a reason, and these two oils are more often than not found in race vehicles for a reason. Too me, this seems like reason enough to believe they're better products than Royal Purple, Mobil1, Castrol, Lucas, Pennzoil etc
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 08:37 AM
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As far as motor oils go, Royal Purple is known to shear pretty badly. That's probably not such a big deal with regards to oil used in differentials. I suspect the environment in a differential isn't as harsh and demanding as an engine, but that's just an educated guess. I'm running their 75W-140 in the front diff of my 2001 Grand Cherokee right now. Supposedly, RP does not require the addition of friction modifier when used in limited slip differentials, but I experienced binding, and did have to add some friction modifier to the oil. I probably won't use the product again. Personally, my feeling is that there is a lot of hype surrounding their products.
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterTomos
Not calling any of you liars, but does anyone have proof/evidence/documentation of any kind that royal purple isn't one of the best lubricants? or are these all just opinions?
Truth in Advertising: BP v. Royal Purple

Royal Purple Ltd. was black and blue after BP Lubricants USA took it to task over advertising claims for its synthetic motor oil, finding a receptive audience in the advertising industry’s self-regulatory forum.

The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus recommended Porter, Texas-based Royal Purple modify or discontinue numerous advertising claims for its synthetic motor oil, following a challenge by Wayne, N.J.-based BP Lubricants. The NAD examined comparative performance and superiority claims in print, broadcast and Internet advertising. In some of the advertising, Royal Purple compared its performance to Castrol, Shell, Amsoil and other motor oil brands.

NAD recommended that Royal Purple discontinue its use of consumer testimonials reporting specific performance attributes in the absence of reliable independent evidence showing performance capability.

“Anecdotal evidence based solely on the experiences of individual consumers is insufficient to support product efficacy claims, including claims related to horsepower, torque, fuel economy or engine heat,” the organization stated. “While the advertiser may quote from published articles if it provides clear and conspicuous attribution to the publisher, it may not rely on such articles to support efficacy claims for which it has no reliable independent validation.”

NAD recommended Royal Purple discontinue claims such as “Increases horsepower and torque by as much as 3 percent,” “Reduces Engine Wear by 80 percent,” “Superior Oxidation Stability” and “Provides Film Strength Up to 400 Percent.”

“If industry-standard tests or tests with carefully documented controls were abandoned, there would be no basis whatsoever for making any meaningful claims about the relative efficacy of motor oils,” BP said in its challenge.

NAD recommended that Royal Purple discontinue claims that stated, “Improves fuel economy by as much as 5 percent” and “Fuel economy improvement up to 5 percent or more” because its Environmental Protection Agency testing was inconclusive and the “Oklahoma State Study” and single cylinder Labeco CLR diesel engine testing cited in Royal Purple’s advertising was not relevant. The NAD noted the 1997 OSU Study was “outdated and nothing in the record demonstrated that the formulations of the competitors’ oils were similar to those available for sale on the market today.”

BP Lubricants said it hired the independent laboratory Southwest Research Institute, in San Antonio, to analyze power output of gasoline engines with Royal Purple Oil and with BP’s Castrol oil for comparisons. “The results were provided to the challenger’s expert statistician who was not informed of the identity of the candidate oils,” NAD stated. “The challenger’s [BP’s] expert determined a 0.9 percent difference in power between the oils, which did not rise to the level of statistical significance, and is well below the 3 percent claim made by the advertiser.”

SwRI did additional tests to independently determine the differences in fuel economy, emissions data and engine temperature between Royal Purple and Castrol motor oils. According to SwRI, “there was no statistically significant difference between the fuel economy, emissions data or engine temperature between the two candidate oils,” NAD said.

Following its review of the non-anecdotal evidence in the record, NAD recommended that Royal Purple discontinue the claims, “Reduces emissions up to 20 percent or more” and “Reductions in emissions of 20 percent or more” because the studies on which the claims were based were outdated and not consumer-relevant.

NAD also recommended the advertiser discontinue its unsupported claim that Royal purple motor oil is “API/ILSAC Certified.” Noting that API and ILSAC licenses and certifications have many categories with different meanings, the NAD recommended that the company discontinue its claim that its synthetic oils are “generally ‘API/ILSAC Certified.’”

In fact, no Royal Purple products are certified to current ILSAC specifications.

The American Petroleum Institute licenses its trademarked Service Symbol, or ‘donut,’ for display on qualified engine oils, and also licenses the ILSAC ‘starburst’ logo for oils that meet the auto industry’s latest energy-conserving standards. In API’s online directory of licensees for its Engine Oil Licensing and Certification Program, Royal Purple has a total of 23 passenger car and diesel engine oil products listed, all licensed to use the API donut. Five of these may additionally display the words ‘energy conserving’ within the donut logo, but none of the Royal Purple products are licensable to the current ILSAC GF-4 specification and they cannot display the starburst logo.

Royal Purple also voluntarily agreed to discontinue the claims, “most advanced,” “unsurpassed performance” and “unparalleled performance,” steps the NAD said were necessary and proper to avoid confusion in the marketplace.

“While Royal Purple also believes that the tests and testimonials it supplied as evidence accurately portray the benefits of using its synthetic oil in a wide variety of applications, it defers to the NAD’s position that those tests and testimonials alone are insufficient to support specific performance attribute claims in consumer advertising,” the company said in its response to NAD. “... [Royal Purple] has already made changes to its advertising in accordance with the NAD recommendations and will continue to implement NAD’s recommendations and analysis in developing Royal Purple’s future advertising.”

BP Lubricants did not return phone calls from Lube Report requesting comment on NAD’s decision.
My buddy has also personally tested some of their diesel oil offerings and when compared against normal DELO 400 conventional diesel engine oil, via a back-to-back blackstone lab report, the iron level skyrocketed with Royal Purple in the engine, indicating increased and excessive wear.

When switched back to normal DELO 15-40 conventional, the wear/iron levels returned to normal.

Royal Purple has made bogus bs claims for years and has a lot of diehard fans who don't have one ounce of data to support their claims. Those who have tested it in the real world though, find a different story. That is why I choose not to use it, I prefer not to deal with lying manipulative companies.

Hence my comment RP-IS-JUNK.
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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As far as motor oils go, Royal Purple is known to shear pretty badly. That's probably not such a big deal with regards to oil used in differentials. I suspect the environment in a differential isn't as harsh and demanding as an engine, but that's just an educated guess. I'm running their 75W-140 in the front diff of my 2001 Grand Cherokee right now. Supposedly, RP does not require the addition of friction modifier when used in limited slip differentials, but I experienced binding, and did have to add some friction modifier to the oil. I probably won't use the product again. Personally, my feeling is that there is a lot of hype surrounding their products.
On the contrary, shear in a differential is huge. Loading on the ring and pinion
can reach or exceed 1 million psi at the contact point, so it far outstrips anything seen in the engine.
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 10:30 AM
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here is what i use.. bought it at autozone, like 6 bucks a bottle, and has the posi additive already in there..http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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On the contrary, shear in a differential is huge. Loading on the ring and pinion
can reach or exceed 1 million psi at the contact point, so it far outstrips anything seen in the engine.
That's interesting. Thanks.

I also never knew that Castrol was a division of BP. I may need to rethink my use of German Castrol.
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That's interesting. Thanks.

I also never knew that Castrol was a division of BP. I may need to rethink my use of German Castrol.
Why, because of the spill?

Listen, when you drill you take risks. BP and all the other companies are the one who make your way of life possible, so I wouldn't be so quick to crucify them.

What happened is unfortunate, but its an unavoidable risk.
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Why, because of the spill?

Listen, when you drill you take risks. BP and all the other companies are the one who make your way of life possible, so I wouldn't be so quick to crucify them.

What happened is unfortunate, but its an unavoidable risk.
Gee, I never realized that oil/energy was so important to our way of life. Where have I been? Having said that, I understand that **** happens, but I think oil companies should have some workable, realistic solutions for dealing with worst case scenarios. I really don't think that's too much to ask, or expect, considering the potentially devastating environmental impacts. Based on what we' ve seen, apparently they don't really have much going on in the way of disaster recovery. On the bright side, drilling in the gulf may no longer be necessary. And no, I'm not going to quit using German Castrol, unless I find something better. That was a joke.
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