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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:11 AM
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i have a 52mm tb and i am thinking that a 58mm tb might be worth the dollars at my power level. but i have several other mods that i need to do and i am on a budget, so im wondering what kind of gains you think i will see from this. thanks for your help guys
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:14 AM
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they are pretty expensive, maybe look into porting your 52mm. Thats what I plan to do.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:23 AM
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I would leave the TB porting to the Ls1 guys!

58mm is recommended with large cam,ported heads etc....
so yes, i would have a 58mm and have the manifold opened up to match or there will be a restriction.....
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:50 AM
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why leave it to the ls1 guys?
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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The 52 mm is more than adequate. I'm guessing your making about 400 - 410 hp based on your mods. The stock 48 mm can handle up to 400 hp. With your current power, I would not upgrade to a 58 mm.

If you add a major power adder, then you can make a case for 58 mm. However, for bolt on cars like ours, nothing bigger than 52 is recommended. It's all about maintaining velocity as bigger is NOT always better.

EDIT - Just re-read your post. If I read you correctly, you have a 383 with nitrous? If so, you are making more power than I first thought. In that case, you may benefit from a well built 58 mm. Personally, I would not leave it to chance, but do a dyno comparison, as it's fairly quick and easy to do a comparison. Still, my only concern is you're not force feeding the motor. Hence, 58 mm might still be too big. If I remember correctly, George Baxter was running a 52 mm in his 1,000 hp SS.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 11:52 AM
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I saw a 2KPA reduction in vacuum loss going from the 52mm to the 58mm on my motor. If you want to believe the "internet message board rule" that for every point of KPA loss = a loss of .5% power. Then I gained maybe maybe 4HP by going from the 52mm to the 58mm.

I will speculate that the gain might be a whopping 4-6HP by going from the 48mm to the 58mm or so. I will not claim that I could feel any noticable gains from the bigger TB.

The quick answer is there are no magic gains with LT1 TB's until you start making big power or your boosted. Whether its worth it is up to you.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 10:24 PM
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ok guys, that is what i was afraid of. i couldnt belive taht itt would give me much of a gain, but i thought i would ask you guys that might have had experience with gains. i may just go ahead and get one when the money comes up
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
I saw a 2KPA reduction in vacuum loss going from the 52mm to the 58mm on my motor. If you want to believe the "internet message board rule" that for every point of KPA loss = a loss of .5% power. Then I gained maybe maybe 4HP by going from the 52mm to the 58mm.

I will speculate that the gain might be a whopping 4-6HP by going from the 48mm to the 58mm or so. I will not claim that I could feel any noticable gains from the bigger TB.

The quick answer is there are no magic gains with LT1 TB's until you start making big power or your boosted. Whether its worth it is up to you.
If you go by that rule you would only be down 50% in power at 0 kpa.
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id run a 52 up to the point of H/C, then swap it for a 58. For strokers im reading good things about the monoblade
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 01:34 AM
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leave it alone, guys are running stockers and running 9s
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
If you go by that rule you would only be down 50% in power at 0 kpa.
Okay my math is wrong. I dont do math.
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Originally Posted by robsquikz28
leave it alone, guys are running stockers and running 9s
Not normally aspirated. Airflow and performance are far more influenced N/A than with a power adder.
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is there a way to i.d. if you have a 48 or 52 mm tb?
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Black94Z28
is there a way to i.d. if you have a 48 or 52 mm tb?
Bust out the calipers.

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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jay7199
they are pretty expensive, maybe look into porting your 52mm. Thats what I plan to do.
They are not very expensive, and these PP's are excellent quality. Or look in the for sale section, you can find them at pretty decent prices

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Profe...item563db644f1
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