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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
In all seriousness engine is going to be spun to 6700. This was the reasoning behind the HV pump.
Not a very good one. Hopefully you will not run into cavitation problems and premature drive gear wearing along with the parasitic losses created by driving a HV pump.
I would suggest looking at your build sheet and seeing exactly what your bearing tolerances are. If they are the stock tolerances then, for your own good, get rid of the HV pump idea.

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:10 AM
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Anyone want to comment on my pump and pan selection if I go the route of high volume?
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:18 AM
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That pan is notorious for windage issues. There have been a few here I believe who have changed out the windage tray with success. I would suggest changing out the tray especially if you decide to run a HV pump. I think the ones who have done it used a Moroso tray.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
That pan is notorious for windage issues. There have been a few here I believe who have changed out the windage tray with success. I would suggest changing out the tray especially if you decide to run a HV pump. I think the ones who have done it used a Moroso tray.
Got a part # on that Moroso?
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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speed_demon24 should have it.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 10:13 AM
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yea my motor is clearanced very loose and i turn very high rpm.....i run a melling HV with no issues.....for your application i would find out the clearances and go on that....if your builder says a HV is needed then i'd prob listen to him........if you do go HV MAKE SURE you replace the pump driveshaft with a strong all steel/chromoly one from moroso or arp. The stocker WILL fail with a HV pump espically if you use thick oil. ALso I'm running that canton pan and its working great, I have NO windage issues at all. FWIW

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
ALso I'm running that canton pan and its working great, I have NO windage issues at all. FWIW
Out of curiosity, how many quarts are you running?
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Out of curiosity, how many quarts are you running?
7....i sucked the pan dry with 6
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
7....i sucked the pan dry with 6
Yeesh! Wonder what it looks like under your valve covers at high rpm...
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Got a part number on that melling select Brucer? I've got time. Engine gets delivered this week.

In all seriousness engine is going to be spun to 6700. This was the reasoning behind the HV pump.

think the melling select pump part number is 10554

theres also some things you can do to a hv pump, i read an article somewhere about putting some chamfers on the gears and the housing itself that reduces the volume and pressure some, but cuts down on the horsepower needed to turn the pump..

there is also a melling 10552c thats only 10% more volume instead of the 25% typical of the high volume pumps.. the 10552c also has anti-cavitation grooves in the cover.. seems like these grooves in the cover plate were mentioned in that article i was talking about above..

i wouldnt run anything but the melling select pumps

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Yeesh! Wonder what it looks like under your valve covers at high rpm...
looks a bit messy lol....but stays nice and cool could have something to do with why my cam/lifters and rockers look like they've never even been used even with that big old monster bump stick in there
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by brucer
think the melling select pump part number is 10554

theres also some things you can do to a hv pump, i read an article somewhere about putting some chamfers on the gears and the housing itself that reduces the volume and pressure some, but cuts down on the horsepower needed to turn the pump..

there is also a melling 10552c thats only 10% more volume instead of the 25% typical of the high volume pumps.. the 10552c also has anti-cavitation grooves in the cover.. seems like these grooves in the cover plate were mentioned in that article i was talking about above..

i wouldnt run anything but the melling select pumps
This: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEL-10552C/?rtype=10
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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yea thats the 10552c, there is also a 10552 that doesnt have the anti cavitation features...
also note the 10552 and 10552c uses a bolton pick up.. they have 2 different pickups for 2 different depth pans..
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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Talked to my builder again today. The only thing that was needed was a crank polishing and bearing replacement. So either I'll stick with the stocker that I had on there with only 60k miles or replace it with the 10% melling. One of the other guys at the shop said definetly no to the 25% HV pump but the 10% isn't a bad idea with the rpms that I will be hitting.

So, 10% HV or stocker?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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id get a new stocker and put a white gm spring in it. or is it purple?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by draggin97s10
id get a new stocker and put a white gm spring in it. or is it purple?
Don't know anything about the springs. Do the springs increase volume or pressure?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Don't know anything about the springs. Do the springs increase volume or pressure?
Pressure. I think Summit sells standard volume/high pressure pumps.
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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Wait, I thought high pressure was a no no with tight clearances?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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For what its worth and I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it myself.

I built a 355 for a friends 93 Z28 and put a HV pump in it. At the top of 1st gear it would loose oil pressure. Checked with a manual gauge to verify.

Put a stock pump in it and had a solid 60+ psi at WOT and never dropped off.

Only thing I can figure that it was sucking the pan dry. If you would roll into the gas slowly it wouldn't do it. If you ran it hard it would suck the pan empty.
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Wait, I thought high pressure was a no no with tight clearances?
High volume. Not high pressure.

Originally Posted by LilJayV10
For what its worth and I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it myself.

I built a 355 for a friends 93 Z28 and put a HV pump in it. At the top of 1st gear it would loose oil pressure. Checked with a manual gauge to verify.

Put a stock pump in it and had a solid 60+ psi at WOT and never dropped off.

Only thing I can figure that it was sucking the pan dry. If you would roll into the gas slowly it wouldn't do it. If you ran it hard it would suck the pan empty.
There have been several threads in the past of this happening to those who use a high volume pump with the stock pan resulting in catastrophic failure.
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